Canadian Teams

[Kingsman1288]

With all due respect to out Canadian brethren, if you bring a team to play in a tournament using NFHS rules please familarize yourself with the rule differences.

Doing 2 GV games today for a tourney, each game involving one Canadian team. There were numerous times in both games where the coaches were unaware of rule differences and blamed us for not informing them before the game. My partner and I were of the opinion that if a coach brings the team here to play, it's their job to know the rule differences.

For those of you out there who have worked games with teams from another country, how do you handle situations like that?

[muxbule]

Originally Posted by Kingsman1288

blamed us for not informing them before the game..

That is CLASSIC.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Kingsman1288

With all due respect to out Canadian brethren, if you bring a team to play in a tournament using NFHS rules please familarize yourself with the rule differences.

Doing 2 GV games today for a tourney, each game involving one Canadian team. There were numerous times in both games where the coaches were unaware of rule differences and blamed us for not informing them before the game. My partner and I were of the opinion that if a coach brings the team here to play, it's their job to know the rule differences.

For those of you out there who have worked games with teams from another country, how do you handle situations like that?

Thumbs down!

While yes, it is the coaches job to inform their team of rules differences, how hard is it to ask the simple question "Do you have any questions regarding rules differences?"

I've been in your situation before - with US teams coming to Canada to play, and having to use different rules.

To be frank, we see the bigger picture and accomodate the US coaches and help them with the more common differences.

The coaches appreciate it, and it shows that you're a leader. Their experience traveling to a tournament will be far better.

I think you are lazy. Just my 2 cents.

[shishstripes]

I know there are many who would say otherwise, because of our school-sizes up here, teams are very limited on their numbers and often travel with younger players and many schools do not have certified refs working in their communities, so although I may penalize something, I often try to help educate younger players (until tourney time).

You cannot know all the rule differences to try and explain to the coaches, you leave one out and it's like your making up new rules to the coaches as you go along.

Player swats a ball off the rim, penalize it and say, "You cannot play the ball while it's on the rim here."

My sister was adopted from Slovakia and was used to putting the ball on the floor after a violation instead of throwing it to the nearest official. She travelled one time, knew it and was called for it, and put the ball on the floor and went the other way. Official talked to her about getting the ball to the official and play resumed, nothing hurt and didn't happen again.

[Bad Zebra]

Kinda curious....what are some of the major differences between Canadian and US rules?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Kinda curious....what are some of the major differences between Canadian and US rules?

Canada uses FIBA rules.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I think you are lazy. Just my 2 cents.

I disagree. Most officials in the US wouldn't even know the differences between FIBA and NFHS rules. It's not their responsibility to give the coaches a rules clinic before the game.

If the coach is going across the border (either direction), he should take the time to learn the differences.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I disagree. Most officials in the US wouldn't even know the differences between FIBA and NFHS rules. It's not their responsibility to give the coaches a rules clinic before the game.

If the coach is going across the border (either direction), he should take the time to learn the differences.

Then the bigger picture involves the tournament host informing the officials that non-US teams are involved.

But like I said, that's how it's done up here. The officiating groups I've been involved with think ahead and have answers for coaches, and have no problems with being proactive.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Then the bigger picture involves the tournament host informing the officials that non-US teams are involved.

But like I said, that's how it's done up here. The officiating groups I've been involved with think ahead and have answers for coaches, and have no problems with being proactive.

Many officials don't know the NFHS rules; there's no way a typical NFHS official will know any FIBA rules.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Canada uses FIBA rules.

That is quite a difference. Thanks for the info.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Then the bigger picture involves the tournament host informing the officials that non-US teams are involved.

But like I said, that's how it's done up here. The officiating groups I've been involved with think ahead and have answers for coaches, and have no problems with being proactive.

And asking the coach if he has any questions on rules is going to do what?

How is this not the coach's responsibility?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And asking the coach if he has any questions on rules is going to do what?

It's going to give the coach an opportunity to be clear about the new environment he's is. Like I said, it's part of the bigger picture.

Officiating in Canada, and frequently having US teams in our tournaments, I happen to know that coaches appreciate the gesture. If they feel that they are already at a disadvantage because referees don't care about their understanding of the rules, they won't wish to come back to the tournament. Being a cordial neighbour has worked well for me in the past.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

How is this not the coach's responsibility?

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

While yes, it is the coaches job to inform their team of rules differences

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Canada uses FIBA rules, except for Ontario high school.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And asking the coach if he has any questions on rules is going to do what?

How is this not the coach's responsibility?

I'm looking at this situation like doing middle school games - yes, it's the coach's responsibility to know the rules, but many times officials will do the players the courtesy of explaining the rules throughout the game.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And asking the coach if he has any questions on rules is going to do what?

How is this not the coach's responsibility?

There's a difference between 'do you have any questions on the rules?" and "Here are the differences between FIBA and NFHS."

The former lets the coach clarify any differences s/he thinks are important to the team that day (can we inbond right away after an oob call?, how many tos do I get? Can anyone request them?)