shot clock restart, hit rim

[mutantducky]

If a ball on a pass hits the rim does it restart? Does it have to be a shot attempt? I saw this play where two players from the same team(meant to say different) went up for a loose ball and it got batted off the rim. Not a shot attempt in my opinion and the clock wasn't restarted.


edit- different teams

[refguy]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

If a ball on a pass hits the rim does it restart? Does it have to be a shot attempt? I saw this play where two players from the same team went up for a loose ball and it got batted off the rim. Not a shot attempt in my opinion and the clock wasn't restarted.

The shot clock does not reset on a pass that strikes the rim or flange.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

If a ball on a pass hits the rim does it restart? Does it have to be a shot attempt? I saw this play where two players from the same team went up for a loose ball and it got batted off the rim. Not a shot attempt in my opinion and the clock wasn't restarted.

FIBA Ruling:

The shot clock only resets on shot attempts. (29.1.1)

[mutantducky]

Hmm, well I saw the refs miss that one then but I really can't blame them for it. Table got it right. maybe not on purpose

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

Hmm, well I saw the refs miss that one then but I really can't blame them for it. Table got it right. maybe not on purpose

Let me guess... you were on the table?

[rockyroad]

Did they bat it toward their own rim, or toward the other team's rim? If it was toward their own rim, I would want it reset as a bat can be considered a try. If it was at the rim they were defending, then it can not be a shot attempt and the clock would not reset.

[mutantducky]

nah wasn't at the table. It was a pass inside to the post with the off. and def players' hands in the air and the ball got batted by both players back toward the rim. Off player had his back to the basket. Wasn't a shot attempt but as I said can't blame the refs for that one as their was some confusion. Ball clearly hit the rim and the shot clock horn went off but the refs let the play go on and the horn was ignored.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

nah wasn't at the table. It was a pass inside to the post with the off. and def players' hands in the air and the ball got batted by both players back toward the rim. Off player had his back to the basket. Wasn't a shot attempt but as I said can't blame the refs for that one as their was some confusion. Ball clearly hit the rim and the shot clock horn went off but the refs let the play go on and the horn was ignored.

According to the NFHS rules there was no reason to stop play.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Did they bat it toward their own rim. . . a bat can be considered a try.

Just because a bat can be try doesn't mean that this one was a try. The NCAA rules clearly state that the shot clock resets when a TRY strikes the ring or flange. You have to judge whether the tap/bat was a try or part of rebounding action or just two knuckleheads who didn't realize they were on the same team. (I know you know all that already, too.)

The original sitch sounds to me like it was not a try, but I didn't see it obviously.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

It was a pass inside to the post with the off. and def players' hands in the air and the ball got batted by both players back toward the rim. Off player had his back to the basket.
the shot clock horn went off but the refs let the play go on and the horn was ignored.

the Off players back to the rim is irrelivant _ based on this description I think they got it right since the shot clock was running down and an offensive player batted the ball to the rim I am not going to call a violation if the ball hit the rim - it could have been a tip play. I'll go with the officials on this one.

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The original sitch sounds to me like it was not a try,

It changes in the above description and I think you would then change your mind.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

It changes in the above description and I think you would then change your mind.

Offensive player with his back to the basket, loose ball being contested by the defense, swatted back at the basket. I find it very unlikely that this is a try.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

FIBA Ruling:

The shot clock only resets on shot attempts. (29.1.1)

Not under 2008 FIBA rules:

50.2 [The 24 second device shall be] stopped and reset to twenty-four (24) seconds, with no display visible, as soon as:
...
• The ball touches the ring of the opponents' basket unless the ball lodges on the basket support.
…

With the 2008 rules the device is reset every time the ball hits the ring either on a shot or on a pass (with the exception noted before )

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

FIBA Ruling:

The shot clock only resets on shot attempts. (29.1.1)

Originally Posted by eg-italy

Not under 2008 FIBA rules:

With the 2008 rules the device is reset every time the ball hits the ring either on a shot or on a pass (with the exception noted before )

Hmm... you will then have to explain how 29.1.1 doesn't apply.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Hmm... you will then have to explain how 29.1.1 doesn't apply.

I read from the 2008 edition of the rules:

29.1.1 Whenever a player gains control of a live ball on the playing court, his team must attempt a shot for a field goal within twenty-four (24) seconds.
To constitute a shot for a field goal within twenty-four (24) seconds:
• The ball must leave the player's hand(s) before the twenty-four second device signal sounds, and
• After the ball has left the player's hand(s), the ball must touch the ring or enter the basket.

Article 29.1.1 says explicitly (words in red) that the definition of shot for the purposes of the shot-clock rule is different from the usual one (articles 15.1 and 31.1.1).

The old formulation of 50.2 was "A shot for a field goal touches the ring unless the ball lodges on the basket support", the new one is "The ball touches the ring of the opponents' basket unless the ball lodges on the basket support". The point was specifically covered in the season's start meetings, at least in Italy.

Ciao

[sseltser]

The addendum (albeit poorly written) to the NYS (boys only) NFHS rules include the shot clock resetting on any thrown ball that touches the ring.