Good T/Or Time Out?

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

There may be a formal warning in the NCAA, but there is not in high school. That needs to be made clear.

Agreed, but even without a formal warning, you can accomplish the same thing w/o Whacking the coach here.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Agreed, but even without a formal warning, you can accomplish the same thing w/o Whacking the coach here.

Maybe, but the coach had already been warned/reminded previously. I'm not saying this should automatically be a T because of it, but warnings aren't really having the desired effect.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe, but the coach had already been warned/reminded previously. I'm not saying this should automatically be a T because of it, but warnings aren't really having the desired effect.

Some have the philosophy of the "three Ws -- Wave, Warn, Whack." I'd view the earlier admonition as more of the "wave" function -- a reminder to stay in the box, not a "warning."

(Note that the philosophy doesn't say that all steps must be followed. Certainly a coach can act such that the first or first two steps are skipped. Also, a reminder in the first Q, followed by good behavior for 2 Qs can lead to another "wave" in the 4th Q.)

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Some have the philosophy of the "three Ws -- Wave, Warn, Whack." I'd view the earlier admonition as more of the "wave" function -- a reminder to stay in the box, not a "warning."

(Note that the philosophy doesn't say that all steps must be followed. Certainly a coach can act such that the first or first two steps are skipped. Also, a reminder in the first Q, followed by good behavior for 2 Qs can lead to another "wave" in the 4th Q.)

Exactly. Always listen to Bob.

(Right, Nevada? )

[Nevadaref]

I must have heard the 3Ws differently. When it came to the coaching box I thought that the NFHS was saying, "Watch, Whack, and Wave good-bye."

[Back In The Saddle]

I wanted to throw one more thing out for discussion earlier, but didn't have the text of it handy. I finally found it. It was buried in a rather obscure NFHS publication: "Therefore, it is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that it may be intelligently applied in each play situation."

It's interesting that the POE reminds us that the rule is "black and white". You and I know that in basketball, the only thing that is actually black and white are our uniforms. Especially when it comes to dealing with coaches.

Even NevadaRef, the who so vocally preached the Gospel Of The POE on this, concedes that he wouldn't T a HC "If he is only a step or so out of the box". In other words, it's not black and white.

As is so often the case, after all is said and done, we discover that the real question is "what common sense guidelines should we follow on enforcing this 'black and while' rule?"

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Even NevadaRef, the who so vocally preached the Gospel Of The POE on this, concedes that he wouldn't T a HC "If he is only a step or so out of the box". In other words, it's not black and white.

I will say that if my local area would come out and make it known to all the coaches that the officials would issue Ts for one foot outside of the box, then I would certainly have no problem with that, in fact I would be and be giving those Ts. However, the majority of the people around me just aren't that hardcore. I know that I am at one end of the spectrum and constantly striving to get more people to move my direction.

[Rich]

I also want to make it clear I am not saying Nevada is not a real official or less of one. I respect that he knows what he's talking about and I try to stay within the guidelines myself, but there are times (and this is a good example) where I don't think you can say something is either black or white.

However, I wouldn't want to go into that situation without knowing what the POEs, rules, interpretations, etc. are. I want to know what I'm about to sidestep, if you want to call it that. I may even use that to get the coach back -- "You know the state/NFHS wants a technical here, so you better work with me so you don't earn one."