Good T/Or Time Out?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Of course, I'm aware of both of those points.

Also, I should note that there have been quite a few good comments in this thread (some of which were deleted) as frequently happens when we get a little disagreement and spirited debate going. The main thing is that there has been a failure by officials to deal with the coaches. One of the main causes has been the lack of support from the ADs and schools. In places where assignments depend upon such people the don't bite the hand that feeds you phrase comes into play, and, unfortunately, not for the better of the game.

Good point.

If I had one assignor who assigned all the games and he said, "F--- it, whack em," I'd whack 'em by the boatload. But it's a little more complicated than that for most of us and games are directly and indirectly controlled by the schools and conferences.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe, but the coach had already been warned/reminded previously. I'm not saying this should automatically be a T because of it, but warnings aren't really having the desired effect.

Some have the philosophy of the "three Ws -- Wave, Warn, Whack." I'd view the earlier admonition as more of the "wave" function -- a reminder to stay in the box, not a "warning."

(Note that the philosophy doesn't say that all steps must be followed. Certainly a coach can act such that the first or first two steps are skipped. Also, a reminder in the first Q, followed by good behavior for 2 Qs can lead to another "wave" in the 4th Q.)

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Some have the philosophy of the "three Ws -- Wave, Warn, Whack." I'd view the earlier admonition as more of the "wave" function -- a reminder to stay in the box, not a "warning."

(Note that the philosophy doesn't say that all steps must be followed. Certainly a coach can act such that the first or first two steps are skipped. Also, a reminder in the first Q, followed by good behavior for 2 Qs can lead to another "wave" in the 4th Q.)

Exactly. Always listen to Bob.

(Right, Nevada? )

[Nevadaref]

I must have heard the 3Ws differently. When it came to the coaching box I thought that the NFHS was saying, "Watch, Whack, and Wave good-bye."

[Back In The Saddle]

I wanted to throw one more thing out for discussion earlier, but didn't have the text of it handy. I finally found it. It was buried in a rather obscure NFHS publication: "Therefore, it is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that it may be intelligently applied in each play situation."

It's interesting that the POE reminds us that the rule is "black and white". You and I know that in basketball, the only thing that is actually black and white are our uniforms. Especially when it comes to dealing with coaches.

Even NevadaRef, the who so vocally preached the Gospel Of The POE on this, concedes that he wouldn't T a HC "If he is only a step or so out of the box". In other words, it's not black and white.

As is so often the case, after all is said and done, we discover that the real question is "what common sense guidelines should we follow on enforcing this 'black and while' rule?"

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Barney Fife would T him up.

Barney: The last big buy I made was my mom's and dad's anniversary present.
Andy: What did you get them?
Barney: A septic tank.
Andy: For their anniversary?
Barney: Yeah, oh they're really hard to buy for. Besides it was something they could use. They were really thrilled. Two tons of concrete, all steel reinforced.
Andy: You're a fine son, Barn.
Barney: I try.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Even NevadaRef, the who so vocally preached the Gospel Of The POE on this, concedes that he wouldn't T a HC "If he is only a step or so out of the box". In other words, it's not black and white.

I will say that if my local area would come out and make it known to all the coaches that the officials would issue Ts for one foot outside of the box, then I would certainly have no problem with that, in fact I would be and be giving those Ts. However, the majority of the people around me just aren't that hardcore. I know that I am at one end of the spectrum and constantly striving to get more people to move my direction.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

However, the majority of the people around me just aren't that hardcore. I know that I am at one end of the spectrum and constantly striving to get more people to move my direction.

And that's good for the forum. Thanks, Nevada!

[Nevadaref]

Observations since Bulletin No.1 was issued on 12/12/08.
1. Somebody PLEASE warn a coach for coaching out of the coaching box. I have attended 30+ games in person. I have observed numerous violations of this rule and I have yet to see anyone warn anybody! Find the right time to do it, follow the procedures outlined in an earlier memo, and take care of business.
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John W. Adams

https://www.eofficials.com/ESO_Repos...0of%202008.pdf

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Observations since Bulletin No.1 was issued on 12/12/08.
1. Somebody PLEASE warn a coach for coaching out of the coaching box. I have attended 30+ games in person. I have observed numerous violations of this rule and I have yet to see anyone warn anybody! Find the right time to do it, follow the procedures outlined in an earlier memo, and take care of business.
---
John W. Adams

https://www.eofficials.com/ESO_Repos...0of%202008.pdf

I'll call him and let him know I've got just the man for the job. Merry Christmas.