The "Flop" on an Upswing?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

I think the flop is a place the rules committee should look at the severity of the penalty. Just like they did making it a violation to leave the playing court. They HAD to make the change because officials didn't have the testicular fortitude to enforce the penalty.

Too bad that we as officials decide to enforce our rules rather than the Fed rule book.

Too bad the Fed's basic MO is to take fairly minor infractions, and assign them such disproportionately severe penalties that nobody with any amount of perspective is willing to call it. If we forced the Fed to change the penalty for leaving the floor through our collective unwillingness to enforce their rule...

GOOD FOR US!!!

BTW, how many T's did you call for leaving the floor during those dark days, Man In Blue? I called exactly one. It took only once to understand that a six point swing was an unacceptably severe penalty to apply for a violation no more egregious than a throw-in violation or traveling.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

It took only once to understand that a six point swing was an unacceptably severe penalty to apply for a violation no more egregious than a throw-in violation or traveling.

It is not your job to decide the egregiousness of anything. It is your job to enforce the rules; this is no different than officials ignoring bench decorum POEs or refusing to enforce uniform rules.

Do you work football in the SEC? Yep, the crew called the wrong foul which resulted in a smaller penalty...it seems to have been done intentionally, not just a rule misapplication.

YouTube - Sideline Interference

[Adam]

Originally Posted by LDUB

It is not your job to decide the egregiousness of anything. It is your job to enforce the rules; this is no different than officials ignoring bench decorum POEs or refusing to enforce uniform rules.

Do you work football in the SEC? Yep, the crew called the wrong foul which resulted in a smaller penalty...it seems to have been done intentionally, not just a rule misapplication.

YouTube - Sideline Interference

I believe this is accepted practice in football.

That said, why don't you answer BITS' question. How many did you call when it was a technical. The same problem applied to what is now the excessive swinging of the elbows violation. It was rarely, if ever, called when it was a technical.

Do you call a T on every flop you see?

It was one of those calls that (if done repeatedly) could end an officiating career due to the severity of the penalty.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by mbyron

A veteran gave me a great piece of advice when I pass on a foul in this situation. He told me, after the play's over and the defender's on the floor looking pitiful, look right at him and wave for him to get up (open palm facing up, arm moving low to high).

At one state tournament I was working, we had our referee meeting on the night before the first day of games. The official's supervisor specifically mentioned that an official had given the "get up" signal the previous year and that he had better not ever see it again. For what it's worth.

[zeedonk]

Originally Posted by eyezen

Did you say flops?

Oh, so THAT's where all the Duke players went- to Europe to play soccer where they love the master thespians! At least Battie was good at it...

God, I hate flopping. Just a personal disgust...

Z

[Rich]

Originally Posted by LDUB

It is not your job to decide the egregiousness of anything. It is your job to enforce the rules; this is no different than officials ignoring bench decorum POEs or refusing to enforce uniform rules.

Do you work football in the SEC? Yep, the crew called the wrong foul which resulted in a smaller penalty...it seems to have been done intentionally, not just a rule misapplication.

YouTube - Sideline Interference

It's our job to work within the parameters set by the officiating community we work in.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by eyezen

Did you say flops?

Hey, my daughter got a college scholarship doing Academy Award winning performances like these. Worked in high school soccer, didn't work as well in college soccer, officials allowed rougher play, but she still got a lot of calls her way.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by LDUB

It is not your job to decide the egregiousness of anything. It is your job to enforce the rules; this is no different than officials ignoring bench decorum POEs or refusing to enforce uniform rules.

Do you work football in the SEC? Yep, the crew called the wrong foul which resulted in a smaller penalty...it seems to have been done intentionally, not just a rule misapplication.

YouTube - Sideline Interference

Snaq's is a fair question. How many T's did you call for leaving the floor? How many did you call for excessively swinging elbows? Did you ever pass on a single violation of either of these rules? If so, how do you explain your hypocritical behavior?

Crickets? That's the best you can do?

[Skarecrow]

Originally Posted by zeedonk

Oh, so THAT's where all the Duke players went- to Europe to play soccer where they love the master thespians! At least Battie was good at it...

God, I hate flopping. Just a personal disgust...

Z

the flop video is hilarious....I would have to change sports.....absolutely hilarious.....