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IREFU2 Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:25am
If she is closely guarded while she is holding the ball, she 5 second to get rid of the ball. If she is not closely guarded, she can stand there all day. This is a very simple rule in my opinion.

Nevadaref Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:26am
Go easy. He seems new and with not much training.

He's learning.

mbyron Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:28am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 559695)
Go easy. He seems new and with not much training.

He's learning.
You must have gotten enough sleep last night. :cool:

IREFU2 Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:28am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 559695)
Go easy. He seems new and with not much training.

He's learning.
My bad, had a long night last night!!!!!

Adam Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:41am
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Originally Posted by acgod24 (Post 559693)
I whistled her for 5 seconds after picking her dribble up. so it is legal for her to stand there, even though she used up her dribble, for however long until she is closely guarded? obviously when the defense comes out, she can only pass or shoot.
Correct.

bob jenkins Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:50am
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Originally Posted by ma_ref (Post 559666)
I didn't mean any sarcasm. What part seemed sarcastic? I was just trying to point out a legit rule that contrasted with what a previous post-er witnessed...
The rule is not intended for anything close to holding the ball out by the division line while the defense plays a zone defense inside the three-point arc.

Happens a couple of times a year when, for whatever reason, both teams are "happy" with the current score + / - one last shot by the offense at the end of a period.

Adam Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 559704)
The rule is not intended for anything close to holding the ball out by the division line while the defense plays a zone defense inside the three-point arc.

Happens a couple of times a year when, for whatever reason, both teams are "happy" with the current score + / - one last shot by the offense at the end of a period.
Agreed, if the clock is running, it's not an "actionless contest" in my book.

tjones1 Fri Dec 19, 2008 03:25pm
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Originally Posted by acgod24 (Post 559693)
I whistled her for 5 seconds after picking her dribble up. so it is legal for her to stand there, even though she used up her dribble, for however long until she is closely guarded? obviously when the defense comes out, she can only pass or shoot or request time-out.
That is correct.

fiasco Fri Dec 19, 2008 03:30pm
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 559695)
Go easy. He seems new and with not much training.

He's learning.
Oh I see.

We're morons for using the word baseline but we should go easy on this guy.

Riiiiiight. :D

BillyMac Fri Dec 19, 2008 06:30pm
"Play Ball" ...
 
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Originally Posted by Grail (Post 559660)
There once was a rule that forced one team to create the action. I don't remember it completely, but I believe the team behind in the score had to force the action.
Correct, back in the early eighties.

BillyMac Fri Dec 19, 2008 06:32pm
Four/Four/Four: Legal ...
 
The closely guarded rule is in effect in frontcourt only, when a defender is within six feet of the ball handler. Up to three separate five-second counts may occur on the same ball handler, holding, dribbling, and holding. The count continues even if defenders switch. The five-second count ends when a dribbler gets his or her head and shoulders ahead of the defender.

refnrev Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:53pm
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Originally Posted by derwil (Post 559640)
If she's not closely guarded then no, you kicked it.

I had a playoff game where one team, who knew they'd get killed if they played 32 minutes of basketball, actually held the ball for 7 minutes of a quarter. No passes, just held the ball after the half court throw in. Perfectly legal.
Longest I have ever seen the ball held is 7:45. Box score that quarter was 2-0.

M&M Guy Mon Dec 22, 2008 09:46am
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Originally Posted by refnrev (Post 559942)
Longest I have ever seen the ball held is 7:45. Box score that quarter was 2-0.
I've now got you beat - local holiday HS boy's tournament. One team felt the were going to be out-matched, so they got the opening tip and held the ball. Literally. Until they accidentally threw it away with only a minute or so left in the quarter. Still managed to hold the other team scoreless: score at halftime was 0-0. Final was 17-6. Yes, HS boy's varsity game.

truerookie Mon Dec 22, 2008 09:59am
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 560566)
I've now got you beat - local holiday HS boy's tournament. One team felt the were going to be out-matched, so they got the opening tip and held the ball. Literally. Until they accidentally threw it away with only a minute or so left in the quarter. Still managed to hold the other team scoreless: score at halftime was 0-0. Final was 17-6. Yes, HS boy's varsity game.

How long was the game? 45 min-1 hour?

chartrusepengui Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:11am
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Originally Posted by ma_ref (Post 559657)
I respectfully disagree. Wouldn't this fall under the "actionless contest" rule?
Ok, who is causing this to be an actionless contest - the O holding the ball or the D not playing any D? Hmmmmmmmmmmm


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