Second T Needed?

[ma_ref]

In this case, I'd probably hold off on the T for 3 reasons:

First, and probably most importantly, if this guy had been riding you the whole game, why wait until 20 seconds left to whack him? You probably should've handled this in the first 3 or 4 minutes of the game, shown the coach the stop sign, and told him enough is enough. Anything further warrants a T.

Second, you just went and told him what his player said without having been asked what happened. I don't justify any of my calls to coaches unless they ask. Since he had been riding you the entire game, any conversation you have with the guy is likely going provoke a negative response from him, so why increase the chances?

Third, he's sitting and you two are the only ones that heard the comment. If he threw out a more explicit comment involving words that young children shouldn't hear, then I'd whack him.

But it sounds to me like this was one of those games that just couldn't end soon enough. No need to prolong it with a delay for 2 meaningless shots.

That's my .02

Originally Posted by ma_ref

Second, you just went and told him what his player said without having been asked what happened.

You don't explain to the coach what their player did to get a T, unless they ask?

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

You don't explain to the coach what their player did to get a T, unless they ask?

Nope. Most of the time, they already know what happened (heard something the kid said, saw something they did, etc...). Most of the other times, the kid that got whacked doesn't usually surprise the coach as having been T'd, since it's happened several times in the past.

I'm not saying it's good to be anti-social on the court, but generally the less you talk to a coach, the better...

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

You don't explain to the coach what their player did to get a T, unless they ask?

I only talk to coaches if they ask a question that requires answering -- offering extra information that they didnt ask for can only lead to potential unwanted crap. I tell new officials dont talk with coaches unless

a. they ask a question and you are responding
b. you HAVE to address something with them

[GoodwillRef]

Get the game over with...no T on the coach...have you learned your lesson? Next time just say "no!"

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

You don't explain to the coach what their player did to get a T, unless they ask?

Exactly. But usually (as in always in my experiences) the coach will ask. But I'm not going to initiate any dialogue on the subject.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Exactly. But usually (as in always in my experiences) the coach will ask. But I'm not going to initiate any dialogue on the subject.

I hear you, I guess it's a local thing.

Pre-game:
You T the coach, find a partner discuss & go opposite
You T a player, find a partner discuss & stay table-side for explanation.

Never whacked a kid & the coach didn't want to know why...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Never whacked a kid & the coach didn't want to know why...

True, but I've had times where the coach didn't ask because everyone heard it.
And it's always a quiet, "What did he say?"

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

I hear you, I guess it's a local thing.

Pre-game:
You T the coach, find a partner discuss & go opposite
You T a player, find a partner discuss & stay table-side in case an explanation is needed.

Fixed it for you.

Never whacked a kid & the coach didn't want to know why...

Yes you have -- you just described it. Of course, you gave an explanation anyway. That's why we're suggesting a change in your approach.

[Man In Blue]

I should have made it clearer. The coach complained a lot but he dropped it. Nothing that crossed the line. Trust me I would wack quickly at this age.

[Oz Referee]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

You don't explain to the coach what their player did to get a T, unless they ask?

I would never explain a T unless the coach asked. Some coaches want to know so that that they can take their own action (bench them etc). If they don;t ask, I don't tell them.

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

I don't justify any of my calls to coaches unless they ask.

I don't feel I have to justify any of my calls even if they do ask. If they have an applicable question that they ask appropriately - fine - I'll answer at right time - but I don't justify.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

In this case, I'd probably hold off on the T for 3 reasons:

First, and probably most importantly, if this guy had been riding you the whole game, why wait until 20 seconds left to whack him? You probably should've handled this in the first 3 or 4 minutes of the game, shown the coach the stop sign, and told him enough is enough. Anything further warrants a T.

Second, you just went and told him what his player said without having been asked what happened. I don't justify any of my calls to coaches unless they ask. Since he had been riding you the entire game, any conversation you have with the guy is likely going provoke a negative response from him, so why increase the chances?

Third, he's sitting and you two are the only ones that heard the comment. If he threw out a more explicit comment involving words that young children shouldn't hear, then I'd whack him.

But it sounds to me like this was one of those games that just couldn't end soon enough. No need to prolong it with a delay for 2 meaningless shots.

That's my .02

All those, in my opinion, are valid reasons for holding back in a varsity (or even jv) game. Kiddie ball (meaning anything where you'd be working 6 games in 2 days) is different for me. I take much less at this level.

Your final point, though.... You're already shooting two T shots, may as well add two more.

That said, your first point is good, even for this level. I'd have still called it, but there's no reason to let any coach ride you for more than 2 trips down the court. At some point very early, "Coach, you might not agree with what I call, but I'm not going to have you questioning every single call."

Next up, "That's enough, coach."

Next up, "tweet!"