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DonInKansas Wed Dec 10, 2008 04:24pm
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 557008)
What rebounding? It's a successful attempt. And even if there is rebounding action, you can't do both? :confused:
your eyes should be on the rebounders before the ball gets to the basket.:)

Raymond Wed Dec 10, 2008 04:27pm
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 557008)
What rebounding? It's a successful attempt. And even if there is rebounding action, you can't do both? :confused: Wouldn't you do both if you were the T or C? What am I missing? What's the connection? Why can't I stop asking questions?
Basically because the mechanic for the lead is not to give the successful signal. My question (I'll only ask one :) ) is why would you feel the need to give the touchdown signal when you already have 2 other officials doing so?

rockyroad Wed Dec 10, 2008 05:23pm
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Originally Posted by DonInKansas (Post 557122)
your eyes should be on the rebounders before the ball gets to the basket.:)
But they can't be on the rebounders if you have the shooter and have to make sure he/she is able to land safely without being fouled...which is the whole point of this topic - should the L have the shooter way out there.

And the only reason I see for the L to ever give the TD signal is if the either the T or C (or both) do not give the signal.

mbyron Thu Dec 11, 2008 07:46am
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 557123)
Basically because the mechanic for the lead is not to give the successful signal. My question (I'll only ask one :) ) is why would you feel the need to give the touchdown signal when you already have 2 other officials doing so?
My partner last night on a frosh game had a mechanic that was new to me. When the last FT went up, he would raise his hand to start the clock. If the shot went in, he raised the other hand, as if it were 3 points! :eek:

zm1283 Thu Dec 11, 2008 09:37am
I've always been told that the L has no 3-point responsibilities whatsoever as far as primary coverage goes. We go off of the chart that's in the NFHS manual with the L's coverage ending at the 3-point line and the Trail's coverage going all the way to the corner outside of the arc.

I did see the L in an NBA game last night give the preliminary 3-point signal though. I know, I know, the NBA is different.

mick Thu Dec 11, 2008 09:59am
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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 557291)
I've always been told that the L has no 3-point responsibilities whatsoever as far as primary coverage goes. We go off of the chart that's in the NFHS manual with the L's coverage ending at the 3-point line and the Trail's coverage going all the way to the corner outside of the arc.

I did see the L in an NBA game last night give the preliminary 3-point signal though. I know, I know, the NBA is different.
Officials Manual 3.3.4B. Three-Point Try 5 - "Lead has responsibility to assist Center and Trail in transition."

zm1283 Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:36am
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Originally Posted by mick (Post 557308)
Officials Manual 3.3.4B. Three-Point Try 5 - "Lead has responsibility to assist Center and Trail in transition."
Hence the reason I said primary coverage. I wasn't talking about transition.

IREFU2 Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:51am
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 556988)
I'm not...I give the 3 signal to help my partners but I'm not signalling the successful attempt. I getting my eyes down and in the paint for rebounding action.
I concur.....even on the NCCA-W side, we signal the 3 point attempt, but dont give the TD signal. Trail does it and the Center mirrors.....

mick Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:53am
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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 557333)
Hence the reason I said primary coverage. I wasn't talking about transition.
Spin it any way you wish.
Tryin' to help.

GoodwillRef Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 557008)
What rebounding? It's a successful attempt. And even if there is rebounding action, you can't do both? :confused: Wouldn't you do both if you were the T or C? What am I missing? What's the connection? Why can't I stop asking questions?
You have never had a foul on a player going for a possible rebound on a made basket?

Scrapper1 Thu Dec 11, 2008 01:08pm
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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 557428)
You have never had a foul on a player going for a possible rebound on a made basket?
Apparently, you stopped reading before getting to:

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Originally Posted by me
And even if there is rebounding action, you can't do both?
Just sayin'. ;)

Ref Ump Welsch Thu Dec 11, 2008 02:03pm
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 557254)
My partner last night on a frosh game had a mechanic that was new to me. When the last FT went up, he would raise his hand to start the clock. If the shot went in, he raised the other hand, as if it were 3 points! :eek:
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Adam Thu Dec 11, 2008 02:06pm
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 557254)
My partner last night on a frosh game had a mechanic that was new to me. When the last FT went up, he would raise his hand to start the clock. If the shot went in, he raised the other hand, as if it were 3 points! :eek:
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Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 557471)
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
I'm with the Welschman. :confused:

mbyron Thu Dec 11, 2008 02:49pm
Yeah, I forgot to ask that guy what the heck he was doing... game ended with one of the scorekeepers chasing me off the floor complaining about the wrong kid shooting FT's (he was wrong about that), so I was a little distracted by that.


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