T or no T! what do you think?

[just another ref]

I don't think I could overlook this one. The action itself is bad enough, but it this particular situation apparently the player was not already holding the ball.

Team B rebounds with 2 seconds left, calls timeout. Drops ball and runs to bench.

So it seems that A1 picked the ball up just for the purpose of slamming it on the floor. I think this is over the line. An orchestrated display, in my opinion, is that much worse than one that is totally spontaneous.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't think I could overlook this one. The action itself is bad enough, but it this particular situation apparently the player was not already holding the ball.

So it seems that A1 picked the ball up just for the purpose of slamming it on the floor. I think this is over the line. An orchestrated display, in my opinion, is that much worse than one that is totally spontaneous.

JAR brings up an interesting point that puts another layer of complexity on this situation making it somewhat different from others we have discussed.

This is an overt act - to apparently go get the ball for the purpose of slamming it down in disgust/frustration, as opposed to a spontaneous reaction.

Each case must be judged on its own merit - and, right or wrong, you chose not to "T" in this case.

Side comment - First "T" I ever gave was a game I was forced into action for my son (12). I "T'd" HIM up for slamming the ball almost to the ceiling out of frustration - he knew better. Mom and GRANDPARENTS in the crowd. While the temp was pleasant outside, it was a somewhat cold and icy ride home.....

[mbyron]

In the other thread, I provided an example of a case where I would not whack. This is not it: I agree with JAR.

[GoodwillRef]

With the emphasis on sportsmanship this has to be a whack, the time and score doesn't matter. I would have a tougher time explaining to a coach the reasons I didn't whack him for his conduct. He went out of his way to go back and get the ball and slam it IMO this is a very easy whack.

[Back In The Saddle]

This gets a whack from me. When the kid goes out of his way to retrieve the ball and spike it....

This is a also a good point in the season for this kid to learn this lesson. Before he does it in a game that matters more.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Unless the ball does not come back down (Don't you just love Newton's Theory of Gravity?):

WHACK HIM!!

[Bad Zebra]

T will be served.

Interesting that someone brought up the NCAA championship game last year. As was well debated, I thought it deserved a T there too, but I was clearly in the minority.

In this case (and at this level), the offending player needs to learn that it's not acceptable behavior. Letting it go teaches him that the officials will let bad (read:stupid) behavior slide if it's a close one. Bad example to set IMHO.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Why "whack him" does one ask? Very simple.

Two years ago in a boys' H.S. jr. varsity game, the game was tied with about ten (10) seconds left in the game. The home team was not very good and should not have been in the game but here it was tied with its opponent. I am L, table side, and Team H has the ball. H1 puts up a shot which misses. A held ball occurs on the rebound in front of me between H2 and V1. I sound my whistle and have my arms and thumbs up in the air. V1 lets go of the ball, but H2 does not and, instead, slams the ball about fifteen (15) feet into the air. Easy TF to call and Team H's HC reads H2 the riot act about losing his cool and takes him out of the game.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Don't you just love Newton's Theory of Gravity?

It was a theory back in the olden days when you went to school. Now it's a scientific law.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., what was your favorite subject in school: Huntin', Gruntin', or Cave Painting?