Designated Tosser

[fiasco]

I couldn't find in the rule book where the referee is authorized to have the umpire toss the ball. In the rule book it specifically states that it is the referee's responsibility. I can only find in the Case Book that the referee may designate this responsibility to the umpire. Why is this not in the rule book?

[BBall_Junkie]

No idea why it is not specifically stated.

My question, does this really matter? There are three of us out there, someone throw the ball in the air and let the kids play.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

No idea why it is not specifically stated.

My question, does this really matter? There are three of us out there, someone throw the ball in the air and let the kids play.

I ask because I took the test the other night and there was a question on there that had to do with something (don't have the test in front of me so I can't remember what it was) being the sole responsibility of the referee vs. the officials in general.

The question troubled me because I couldn't find it outlined in the rule book, but I also couldn't find this exception (the toss) outlined either. I feared that if they omitted one exception, they might have omitted the other.

[fiasco]

Also, I think part of the function of having the referee toss as well as administer the ball OOB at the beginning of quarters 2, 3 and 4 may have something to do with the symbolism of showing who in the crew is in charge in case anyone has questions or concerns. Just my speculation, though.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Also, I think part of the function of having the referee toss as well as administer the ball OOB at the beginning of quarters 2, 3 and 4 may have something to do with the symbolism of showing who in the crew is in charge in case anyone has questions or concerns. Just my speculation, though.

Who's in charge? I have two PARTNERS. Once that ball is tossed, we're ALL in charge.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Who's in charge? I have two PARTNERS. Once that ball is tossed, we're ALL in charge.

In general, I agree with you, but (in the very rare occasion) that there is a disagreement on certain aspects, the referee has the final say.

[BBall_Junkie]

Horrendous test question.... why do they not ask questions that have substance. I will never understand this...

All of that being said, I now understand the basis of your question. Sometimes I think we (officials in general) get caught up in the minutia (sp?) and fail to focus on the plays/rules that have direct impact on the game.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

All of that being said, I now understand the basis of your question. Sometimes I think we (officials in general) get caught up in the minutia (sp?) and fail to focus on the plays/rules that have direct impact on the game.

I agree. We're forced to focus on minutiae when our ability to advance to Varsity is partially based on a test score.

[GoodwillRef]

I am 6'4" and I was the referee on a game this summer at a camp I was attending and the clinician made a good point that unless both players are taller than me that I shouldn't toss the ball. It does make a lot of sense if you think about it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

I am 6'4" and I was the referee on a game this summer at a camp I was attending and the clinician made a good point that unless both players are taller than me that I shouldn't toss the ball. It does make a lot of sense if you think about it.

Help me out here. How?

[mbyron]

By this logic, I can never toss again for middle school and below.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

I am 6'4" and I was the referee on a game this summer at a camp I was attending and the clinician made a good point that unless both players are taller than me that I shouldn't toss the ball. It does make a lot of sense if you think about it.

I agree. If they're both shorter, just hold the ball up between them and drop it

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I agree. If they're both shorter, just hold the ball up between them and drop it

That thought has crossed my mind before.

Being 5'9" and working only varsity basketball, though, I don't think a jumper is ever shorter than me anymore. Boys or girls.

[GoodwillRef]

The point is that because I am so tall it looks like I am towering over the players when I work a women's college or high school girl's game.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I agree. If they're both shorter, just hold the ball up between them and drop it

Ah. I see the problem. I was reading that as "I shouldn't toss it," and the point was that "I shouldn't toss it."