More thoughts from John Adams

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

if you don't agree w/ Mr. Adams, then keep it to yourself if you are interested in working in the NCAA D1 Tournament.

First of all, I don't think there are too many of us on this forum who have serious hopes of working the tournament.

Second, hopefully, Mr. Adams is adult enough that he can listen to other points of view from people who have been officiating for 10, 15, or 20 years without holding grudges.

Third, I'm not sure why you think you're the authority on how the tournament selection process works or why you think you're the right person to tell others to "keep it to yourself".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

First of all, I don't think there are too many of us on this forum who have serious hopes of working the tournament.

Second, hopefully, Mr. Adams is adult enough that he can listen to other points of view from people who have been officiating for 10, 15, or 20 years without holding grudges.

Third, I'm not sure why you think you're the authority on how the tournament selection process works or why you think you're the right person to tell others to "keep it to yourself".

I do not think that Jeff's comments were about how many want to work the tournament. I think he was giving a cautious warning to those that are here that would some day like to work the D1 level. And there are people here that have that desire. I know Jeff and I have met them going to the same camps.

Secondly, I really do not think John cares what you or I think regardless of how long with have been officiating. John is a person that comes up with his way of thinking and it was not developed because people agreed or disagreed with him.

And finally, this comment was not about being an authority. All the times people say things and speak does not make them an authority. Considering we have a couple of people that think every time the NF says something I hardly look at these comments as someone trying to be an authority.

Peace

[jeffpea]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

First of all, I don't think there are too many of us on this forum who have serious hopes of working the tournament.

Second, hopefully, Mr. Adams is adult enough that he can listen to other points of view from people who have been officiating for 10, 15, or 20 years without holding grudges.

Third, I'm not sure why you think you're the authority on how the tournament selection process works or why you think you're the right person to tell others to "keep it to yourself".

Scrapper1, don't sell yourself short. you should always have lofty goals to which you strive.....

Like a good official who doesn't tell a coach he's "wrong", my previous post used the word "if" twice in the second sentence conditioned on the fact that you may be interested in working the tournament (of course I followed that up with the caveat that you're free to say whatever you want if you have no interest in the tourney). I'm sorry if you took offense to that...I should have said..."if you don't agree w/ Mr. Adams, then you probably should keep it to yourself".....

You see the person (technically the D1 Men's Basketball Committee) responsible for selecting tourney officials gets to select them based on his/their criteria. You can work a game however you want, but if it is not to their liking, you don't get assigned a game (or advance past a certain level). Steve Welmer has worked 110+ D1 games every year for a long time and has never advanced to the Final Four....why that is I don't know, but I certainly think he is skilled enough to work that assignment.

Discussion forums like these work best when you do not try to "read between the lines". I did not position myself as the tournament authority nor do I feel that I'm the "right one" to tell others to keep quiet.

By the way, since you have no "serious hopes of working the tournament", my post encouraged you to: "go right ahead and state your disagreement" (w/ Mr. Adams). Why did the post bother you so much?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

Why did the post bother you so much?

Sure sounded to me like you were using fear tactics to stifle a reasonable discussion ("keep it to yourself"). That doesn't sit well with me. If we can't reasonably talk about differences of opinion in officiating topics, even when we're disagreeing with the Coordinator of Officials, then what's the point of even having this Forum.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Sure sounded to me like you were using fear tactics to stifle a reasonable discussion ("keep it to yourself"). That doesn't sit well with me. If we can't reasonably talk about differences of opinion in officiating topics, even when we're disagreeing with the Coordinator of Officials, then what's the point of even having this Forum.

Fear tactics? You are not serious are you?

Even if that was the intention, if you do not work college ball and specifically Division 1, I do not see how you would have something to be afraid of. And if you do work college ball or you are on the verge of working D1, then you should already have the sense to know that what you say might get you into trouble. This is the very reason the likes of Chuck E and others do not really post here anymore. Would you consider Chuck E of using fear tactics when he said on this board why he and others do not post here anymore?

If you want to discuss your disagreement, I do not see how what Jeff said was going to prevent you from your opinions being shared.

Peace