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[CoachP]

Slight change, instead of B1 knocking the ball loose in the OP, B1 pushes A1 while playing the ball and knocks the ball loose.

Foul? Ignore the foul?

[mick]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Slight change, instead of B1 knocking the ball loose in the OP, B1 pushes A1 while playing the ball and knocks the ball loose.

Foul? Ignore the foul?

Whether the foul happened or not, that is another way to keep the Defense's coach quiet.

"Coach, I recognized the request ... before the foul...."

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Slight change, instead of B1 knocking the ball loose in the OP, B1 pushes A1 while playing the ball and knocks the ball loose.

Foul? Ignore the foul?

HTBT. I've passed on slight pushes before. But if there is a trap, and B1 pushes A1, now the contact has a larger impact, and the foul should be called.

Edit: if there is a TO request before the foul, it is still a TO, and no foul.

Edit 2: looks like mick has the jump on me all morning.

[CoachP]

Rule Refs? Casebook plays? (On any of my two plays)

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Rule Refs? Casebook plays? (On any of my two plays)

Events should be handled in the order they occurred. If the TO request happened prior to the push, the player gets the TO. You're not really asking a rules related question here.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Smitty

You're not really asking a rules related question here.

No, I'm "data" gathering at this point....

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by CoachP

No, I'm "data" gathering at this point....

I think what will actually happen in a game situation will vary depending on the timing and severity of the events, and the experience level of your officials. If the TO request is clear and noticed prior to any potential foul, the TO should be granted and the foul ignored unless it is severe enough to be a T. If the foul happens close enough to the TO request or the TO request isn't clear enough, the foul might be called. But if the TO request is clear before anything else, grant the TO.

[mick]

Originally Posted by CoachP

No, I'm "data" gathering at this point....

If you are gleaning as a coach,

• A verbal request from your players works pretty well, better than the "T" for me.
• A Coach's "T" from the box works pretty well, better than the verbal for me.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by mick

A Coach's "T" from the box works pretty well, better than the verbal for me.

Careful, mick - you don't want the coach to think he can be giving us a "T"?

Just in my experience, the verbal works better for me in both instances. An exception to that might be if we are on the other end of the floor, tight game, loud crowd, etc., and it is easier to see the signal than it is to hear the request. But, like you said, it might be easier for the player to verbalize the request rather than try to juggle the ball while giving the signal.