Can I get some help on Time Out administration?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

A switch of trail/lead does occur if and only if the throwin will be on the lead's sideline, in the frontcourt, and above the FT line extended.

Here in Connecticut this is an area of controversy, not the switch part, but the line responsibility part. We recently switched form NFHS, to IAABO mechanics, and IAABO mechanics give us an option in terms of line responsibilities. Some of us old timers still believe that the lead's line responsibility extends all the way up the sideline, all the way to the backcourt endline. Younger officials believe that the lead's line responsibility ends at the foul line extended. IAABO gives us both options. This has to pregamed every game. I believe that the interpreters in our state are working on taking away the option part of this and will come out with a "Connecticut" line responsibility mechanic soon. I hope so. As I get older, as we all tend to do, and as more rookies join our local board, there will come a time when my assigned partner will only know the newer option.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Younger officials believe that the lead's line responsibility ends at the foul line extended.

I can see that for THROW-IN administration responsibility, but not for LINE responsibility!

There is no-freaking-way that the Trail on the opposite side of the court can tell if a player steps on the boundary line on the Lead's side of the court above the FT line extended. In order to have a good angle to make that call the Trail would have to be hovering fifteen feet in the air!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I can see that for THROW-IN administration responsibility, but not for LINE responsibility!There is no way that the Trail on the opposite side of the court can tell if a player steps on the boundary line on the Lead's side of the court above the FT line extended. In order to have a good angle to make that call the Trail would have to be hovering fifteen feet in the air!

You share my opinion, but the "higher ups" believe that the trail, in a two person game, can make that call if they move from the A, to the B, almost into the C lane.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

You share my opinion, but the "higher ups" believe that the trail, in a two person game, can make that call if they move from the A, to the B, almost into the C lane.

I believe that those "higher ups" need to come back down to reality.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I believe that those "higher ups" need to come back down to reality.

IAABO claims that "farther sideline coverage by the trail above free throw line extended reduces ball watching and provides better coverage" (IAABO Crew of Two Basketball Officials Manual, page 46, "Option: Line Coverage Above Free Throw Line Extended)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

IAABO claims that "farther sideline coverage by the trail above free throw line extended reduces ball watching and provides better coverage" (IAABO Crew of Two Basketball Officials Manual, page 46, "Option: Line Coverage Above Free Throw Line Extended)

How nice for them. Thank goodness I've never lived in an IAABO state. Just another group to take money from officials.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

IAABO claims that "farther sideline coverage by the trail above free throw line extended reduces ball watching and provides better coverage" (IAABO Crew of Two Basketball Officials Manual, page 46, "Option: Line Coverage Above Free Throw Line Extended)

I'm all for reducing ball watching, but if the Lead simply takes a few steps back and positions himself near the corner of the court. He can handle the sideline while still giving 80% of his attention to post play.

I still say that there is no way that the Trail is going to be accurate on that far sideline.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'm all for reducing ball watching, but if the Lead simply takes a few steps back and positions himself near the corner of the court. He can handle the sideline while still giving 80% of his attention to post play. I still say that there is no way that the Trail is going to be accurate on that far sideline.

I agree with you, maybe because I've been doing it the old way for over a quarter of a century, but, for sake of argument, that corner is out of the lead's primary. I will go on record that, in my case, over twenty-seven years, about 90% of my out of bounds calls, from the lead, that required me to ask my trail partner for help, came from this quarter of the front court, and, I'm guessing, that he, or she, was able to give me a call, without resorting to the arrow, or a "real" jump ball, about 75% the time. On the other hand, if we went to the IAABO option, how often would the trail ask for, and get help, from the lead?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I can see that for THROW-IN administration responsibility, but not for LINE responsibility!

There is no-freaking-way that the Trail on the opposite side of the court can tell if a player steps on the boundary line on the Lead's side of the court above the FT line extended. In order to have a good angle to make that call the Trail would have to be hovering fifteen feet in the air!

Referee has call this a "recommended mechanic" for a while and I noticed that some of the officials in Wisconsin advocate this. Personally, I take the sideline all the way down on my side of the court when I'm the lead.

Don't want to shift gears too much, but I've misplaced my mechanics manual and I need a bit of a refresher since I've been working mostly 3-person.

2-person NFHS timeouts. 60-second and 30-second and the intermission between periods -- where does each official go? I know this was changed and changed back recently, so please, if anyone can give a quick synopsis, I'd appreciate it.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Referee has call this a "recommended mechanic" for a while and I noticed that some of the officials in Wisconsin advocate this. Personally, I take the sideline all the way down on my side of the court when I'm the lead.

Don't want to shift gears too much, but I've misplaced my mechanics manual and I need a bit of a refresher since I've been working mostly 3-person.

2-person NFHS timeouts. 60-second and 30-second and the intermission between periods -- where does each official go? I know this was changed and changed back recently, so please, if anyone can give a quick synopsis, I'd appreciate it.

Official that will administer the throw-in goes to the spot the ball will be inbounded (unless where the benches are, then the official stands outside the bench area across from that spot). This is true for all TOs and intermissions.

The other official takes a spot halfway between the circle and the sideline tableside for 30 second TOs, and halfway between the circle and the sideline opposite the table for 60 second TOs and intermissions.

[mick]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Official that will administer the throw-in goes to the spot the ball will be inbounded (unless where the benches are, then the official stands outside the bench area across from that spot). This is true for all TOs and intermissions.

The other official takes a spot halfway between the circle and the sideline tableside for 30 second TOs, and halfway between the circle and the sideline opposite the table for 60 second TOs and intermissions.

NFHS says on edge/on of the circle.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by mick

NFHS says on edge/on of the circle.

You are correct, sir, thanks for the correction. Not sure where that came from.

[mick]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

You are correct, sir, thanks for the correction. Not sure where that came from.

2001-2003 Manual shows the 1/2-way mechanic.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by mick

NFHS says on edge/on of the circle.

Silly age-related memory question...

Which edge? Nearest the table? Opposite table?

[mick]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Silly age-related memory question...

Which edge? Nearest the table? Opposite table?

Table-side 30 [Shorter]
Opposite side 60 and intermission. [Longer]