Frustrated Loyola coach Patsos takes a seat in the stands

[dbking]

Class A technicals are for players that committ a technical foul for cursing, contact during dead ball or any flagrant. 9 different reasons.

Class A technicals are for bench inappropriate behavior. If it is on an assitant, then the coach is charged with the A. The call was correct. However, the coach only gets a Class B charged directly to him if the foul was on bench personel other than him. THis tallies towards ejection.

Class B technical for players are for using tobacco, face guarding, dunking in pregame etc. 15 different reasons...

Class B technical for coaches are coaching box violation, bench area, using tobacco, wrong numbers etc. Why was he not charged for leaving the bench is anyones guess. My guess is the offiicial never saw it. They can't say a word sounds more like a NFHS enforcement to me. College coaches do not loose the get up and coach privilege like in HS.

THe big differences between A and B:

A counts toward team totals and player totals, B does not. They all count towards disqualification, 2a's or 1a and 2b's or 3b's.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by dbking

Class A technicals are for bench inappropriate behavior. If it is on an assitant, then the coach is charged with the A. The call was correct. However, the coach only gets a Class B charged directly to him if the foul was on bench personel other than him. THis tallies towards ejection.

To be clear, the assistant receives the Class A and the HC would receive a Class B.

[jdmara]

Obviously the coaching box has a defined width but does the coaching box have a defined depth? Do the officials really care if he is two rows back? I don't think they would care as long as he's not up in the media area looking at replays of a controversial call

-Josh

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Obviously the coaching box has a defined width but does the coaching box have a defined depth? Do the officials really care if he is two rows back? I don't think they would care as long as he's not up in the media area looking at replays of a controversial call

-Josh

Section 8 Art 1
The coaching box shall extend from the sideline to the back of the team benches and shall be bound by the end line and no farther than the 28-foot line as noted in the diagram.

Since he already had one class he isn't allowed out of the box to do anything they could have gotten him for it. Especially for coming back to the bench.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Section 8 Art 1
The coaching box shall extend from the sideline to the back of the team benches and shall be bound by the end line and no farther than the 28-foot line as noted in the diagram.

Since he already had one class he isn't allowed out of the box to do anything they could have gotten him for it. Especially for coming back to the bench.

Didn't know that. Sorry, I was too lazy to look it up

-Josh

What bothers me about this whole situation is that the official supposedly said the coach's name to the table, not "white coach" or whatever color the uniform was. If I did that in a HS game (and I know so many coaches because they are sometimes football coaches or football officials and I work football as well) I would get downgraded and can kiss the postseason goodbye or forget about getting far into the postseason.

[Back In The Saddle]

At least the sportswriter said the the coach said that the official said....

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

What bothers me about this whole situation is that the official supposedly said the coach's name to the table, not "white coach" or whatever color the uniform was. If I did that in a HS game (and I know so many coaches because they are sometimes football coaches or football officials and I work football as well) I would get downgraded and can kiss the postseason goodbye or forget about getting far into the postseason.

"He's the best official we've got, but of the 247 fouls he called this year one of them was reported incorrectly to the scorer. No playoffs for him."

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

What bothers me about this whole situation is that the official supposedly said the coach's name to the table, not "white coach" or whatever color the uniform was. If I did that in a HS game (and I know so many coaches because they are sometimes football coaches or football officials and I work football as well) I would get downgraded and can kiss the postseason goodbye or forget about getting far into the postseason.

I disagree with your philosophy. The team members have numbers, but the rest of the bench personnel do not. There is nothing wrong with specifying the offender. Had it been an asst coach how would you distinguish which one?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by dbking

Class A technicals are for players that committ a technical foul for cursing, contact during dead ball or any flagrant. 9 different reasons. Class A technicals are for bench inappropriate behavior. If it is on an assitant, then the coach is charged with the A. The call was correct. However, the coach only gets a Class B charged directly to him if the foul was on bench personel other than him. THis tallies towards ejection.
Class B technical for players are for using tobacco, face guarding, dunking in pregame etc. 15 different reasons...Class B technical for coaches are coaching box violation, bench area, using tobacco, wrong numbers etc. Why was he not charged for leaving the bench is anyones guess. My guess is the offiicial never saw it. They can't say a word sounds more like a NFHS enforcement to me. College coaches do not loose the get up and coach privilege like in HS.THe big differences between A and B:A counts toward team totals and player totals, B does not. They all count towards disqualification, 2a's or 1a and 2b's or 3b's.

I hope that the NFHS doesn't go to this. Directs, and indirects, are enough for me to handle.

[dahoopref]

His team held S. Curry scoreless by double-teaming him the ENTIRE game. Therefore Davidson played 4 on 3 and blewout Loyola.

ESPN - Loyola (MD) vs. Davidson - Recap - November 25, 2008

Curry held scoreless on just three shots, but Davidson still blows out Loyola

DAVIDSON, N.C. -- By the third possession, Davidson's Stephen Curry had figured it out. Loyola (Md.) was double-teaming him. Everywhere, on each possession, no matter what the scenario.

So Curry decided to test the triangle-and-2 defense taken to the ultimate extreme. He went into the corner and two defenders followed him, setting up a 4-on-3 for his teammates.

Curry decided to keep standing there, and his teammates kept scoring -- for 40 minutes -- in a 78-48 head-scratching win for the Wildcats (No. 25 on ESPN/USA Today, No. 24 AP) that will be remembered for some time.

The nation's leading scorer was held without a point and took only three shots. But the game was never in doubt because Davidson played the entire game on a virtual power play.

All this was courtesy of a bizarre coaching move by Loyola's Jimmy Patsos.

"We had to play against an NBA player tonight," Patsos explained. "Anybody else ever hold him scoreless? I'm a history major. They're going to remember that we held him scoreless or we lost by 30?"

Some will remember the catcalls Patsos received from the fans when he stuck with the defense well after the game was decided. Davidson coach Bob McKillop was so annoyed he kept Curry in the game until the final minute.

"It seemed to me they were willing to risk the game at the expense of locking Steph up," McKillop said. "When you put two people on somebody and you do it for 30 minutes and at the end of the game, you have to wonder what the reasons for that are."

Curry, the darling of last season's NCAA tournament, had scored a career-high 44 points in a loss at Oklahoma this month. He followed that up with games of 30 and 39 points.

"If Oklahoma can't stop him, how is Loyola College going to stop him?" Patsos asked.

And Curry, coming in averaging 35 points a game, joked that he had the best seat in the house.

"Every dead ball I asked them how long they were going to do this," Curry said he asked his shadowing defenders. "They really didn't say anything. They weren't very conversational about it."

"I know the fans are mad at me, but I had to roll the dice as far as a coach goes. I'm not some rookie coach," said Patsos, a former longtime assistant at Maryland. "I won a national title as a top assistant coach to Gary Williams. For 13 years I spent on Tobacco Road. I coached a couple of No. 1 picks in the draft. And we scored 48 points. That's the problem that Loyola basketball had today."

"I don't think irritate is the word. Just confused," Curry said. "When they're down by that much and still allowing us to get open shots. It kind of surprised me."

It turned out pretty good for his teammates.

"Their coach obviously wanted guys other than Steph to beat him," Barr said. "If you're playing 4-on-3 against us, somebody is going to hurt you."