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Old Mon Oct 27, 2008, 11:44am
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I understand why you are doing it and I personally like the thought process you have and I am ok with it but you need to go more in depth with it. You have to take into account the time (if there is 5 min. Left and its 20-25 points I won't do it. Now if its 2 min. Probably will). Also I don't call every bit of contact but I do call more marginal fouls.

I know I'm gonna get ripped for going with this philosophy but by using this the coach of the team getting beat will be less mad and the coach winning won't mind backing out of it. Jmo and I'm sure not well liked by the community here. Maybe this opinion will bring Jurassic out of the woodworks.
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Old Mon Oct 27, 2008, 12:17pm
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One more thing..I meant to include in my disjointed post...once again I apoligize for the length and ease of reading.

If I have a reasonable relationship with the coach throughout the game (which it's rarely the case that I don't), if I'm the trail on the bench-side I might backup a little bit near the coach and hint at the idea of not full-court pressing because of the score. For instance last week, I backed up to the coach and said, "Coach, it might be time to call off the dogs since you're up by 35." His response was, "Whoa thanks, I didn't even realize the score was that lopsided." Like young players, young coaches get excited too and lose their composure. I would not pursue the issue any further, no matter how he reacted, but sometimes a gentle hint will remind the coach of the situation. It's a one and done deal in my opinion. If I hint, I leave it alone the rest of the game. In fact, I tell my partner the next timeout that I've gave the hint so leave it alone. I don't want to corner the coach into thinking we are instructing him how to coach.

In var/college/etc...knowledgeable assistant coaches tame the head coach and remind him of these situations. Therefore, I would never say anything to a var coach. But youth leagues are there for the kids participation.

-Josh

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Old Mon Oct 27, 2008, 06:38pm
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For instance last week, I backed up to the coach and said, "Coach, it might be time to call off the dogs since you're up by 35." His response was, "Whoa thanks, I didn't even realize the score was that lopsided."

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First, it's not an official's place to say this to a coach, anytime, anywhere, any league.

Second, if you believe that BS I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.
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Old Mon Oct 27, 2008, 07:24pm
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First, it's not an official's place to say this to a coach, anytime, anywhere, any league.

Second, if you believe that BS I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.
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You shouldn't say this to a coach. You are opening up to many possibilities. What if a coach goes off and starts yelling, "Don't worry about how I coach my team, you can't tell me what plays to call!" Are you prepared to give the coach a T? Sometimes opening your mouth can cause you to really step in it.
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Old Mon Oct 27, 2008, 09:18pm
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Please Press ...

Back in my coaching days, we were down by twenty points at halftime, and I asked the opposing coach to please continue to press us for at least the third period, so that we could continue to work on our press break. I informed the officials, and fans, about my request, so they wouldn't think the other coach was being unsporting. It helped us. The next time a team pressed us, we were ready.
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Old Mon Oct 27, 2008, 12:26pm
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I know I'm gonna get ripped for going with this philosophy but by using this the coach of the team getting beat will be less mad and the coach winning won't mind backing out of it.
By following that leading team, touch foul program, you are possibly rewarding the mediocrity of the losing team's coaches and players.

At those lower levels, I like to officiate to the skills of the better team. If the lesser team cannot keep up, then the lesser team oughta change coaches and players. I won't help them.
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Old Mon Oct 27, 2008, 12:30pm
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If the lesser team cannot keep up, then the lesser team oughta change coaches and players.
Or schedule comparable teams........
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Old Mon Oct 27, 2008, 12:42pm
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Or schedule comparable teams........
Good point. That's another option.
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Old Mon Oct 27, 2008, 12:48pm
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Good point. That's another option.
I hear all the MAC teams are lining up to schedule Michigan!!

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Old Mon Oct 27, 2008, 01:24pm
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Here is the way I see it... I always apply the rhythm, speed, balance and quickness philospy to determine what is a foul and what is not a foul. If the contact does not affect any of those elements it is generally not a foul and is considered incidental. If it does then it is a foul. Better teams can play through more contact than weaker teams.

You can not decide to "make" a coach change his coaching strategies.... that is for the administrators (for the kids/ developmental leagues). At the high school level it is generally sorted out in the years to come. There will be a time when the winning coach team is actually the weaker team and the other coach will have a chance to rub his nose in it if he so desires.
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Old Mon Oct 27, 2008, 02:21pm
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Perhaps I should have made the level of the game clearer. It was a combined 6th and 7th grade team. When the coach of Team A finally backed off the press, Team B actually made it past half court but not much further. The final score differential ended up being 40 points, so my actions didn't cost them a win at all. Not even close. This what not something I arbitrarily did on my own either, my partner and I talked about it at halftime.

So I guess I should have let Team A humiliate Team B?
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