Calling an illegal screen

[zeedonk]

I've found that I have to sloooooowww down on this one. Most people/players/coaches don't know the team control foul signal. What I have done is hit the whistle-fist up-point direction and "offense" at the same time-spot the ball- report. What I am TRYING to do is the above HS mechanic, and I'm trying not to look like I'm landing planes...

Problem is, slowing down takes me out of my "flow", which I'm sure equals "not approved mechanics". Makes me look like I'm unsure of the call.

Our board is making an effort to ensure that we young'uns don't point- use an open hand (as in violation and keeping the thumb tucked in the palm)


Question- Making this call as the trail-> what do your local boards want you to do? Is this a "long switch" which, for us, is a no-no?

[Raymond]

My mechanics on this are always screwed up. So I make sure I use my voice very loudly for this one with the words "team control" emphasized.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by zeedonk

Problem is, slowing down takes me out of my "flow", which I'm sure equals "not approved mechanics". Makes me look like I'm unsure of the call.

I have found that slowing down almost never looks like you're unsure of the call -- unless you've got lengthy pauses, or something like that. Slowing down usually just looks like calm, relaxed, not my first rodeo, routine call, etc. In other words, what feels like going slow to us, usually does not appear that way to everyone else.

Two suggestions:

First, practice the entire sequence in the mirror. Do this a lot. Make it muscle memory.

Second, and they teach this to volleyball officials, when you've got a series of signals to give, have a rhythm to it, giving each signal the same length of time. It looks better than hurrying one, holding the next, etc.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I have found that slowing down almost never looks like you're unsure of the call -- unless you've got lengthy pauses, or something like that. Slowing down usually just looks like calm, relaxed, not my first rodeo, routine call, etc. In other words, what feels like going slow to us, usually does not appear that way to everyone else.

Two suggestions:

First, practice the entire sequence in the mirror. Do this a lot. Make it muscle memory.

Second, and they teach this to volleyball officials, when you've got a series of signals to give, have a rhythm to it, giving each signal the same length of time. It looks better than hurrying one, holding the next, etc.

Excellent point on "have a rhythm". I've been trying that recently with kids and rec games before HS season starts.

[IREFU2]

Here is what I do:

Blow the whistle, yell either "offense or Illegal screen," and then punch in the respective direction. I have a bad habit of not putting the fist in the air or instead of punching, I point. But the majority of the time, its whistle, offense and then punch.

[biz]

I try to go fist in the air as I'm hitting the whistle and then use that same fist for the team-control foul signal in the driection that we're now going. I have the bad habit of usually saying "this way" as I'm punching. Then when I report I report color, then number, then team-control (with signal), then illegal screen with proper signal...Long switches are hit or miss around here. I will tend to initiate a long switch if I'm lead in this situation working with my (immobile) usual partner for youth travel games. It's just faster than waiting for him to get to the other end.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

They teach this to volleyball officials, when you've got a series of signals to give, have a rhythm to it, giving each signal the same length of time. It looks better than hurrying one, holding the next, etc.

Rookie officials take note, this is a good suggestion.

Back In The Saddle: You must be really tired after your volleyball game. You have to give signals and stand on that "ladder thing", without moving the entire match?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Rookie officials take note, this is a good suggestion.

Back In The Saddle: You must be really tired after your volleyball game. You have to give signals and stand on that "ladder thing", without moving the entire match?

Well, yeah, except for the "landing the airplane" thing

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

without moving the entire match?

This is actually harder than you might think. I start to tighten up after standing straight up in one spot for an hour or so.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

This is actually harder than you might think. I start to tighten up after standing straight up in one spot for an hour or so.

Touché.

[CaRef5]

ok an illegal screen is a violation...so then in that case you would just stop the clock with your hand straight up in the air, then do the signal for an illegal screen point to the spot and color of the team that is going to be having the ball for either you, or your partner, to know where the ball is going.

am i right?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CaRef5

ok an illegal screen is a violation...so then in that case you would just stop the clock with your hand straight up in the air, then do the signal for an illegal screen point to the spot and color of the team that is going to be having the ball for either you, or your partner, to know where the ball is going.

am i right?

Help me out here. When did an illegal screen become a violation? And what is the signal for an illegal screen? Just a question.

Peace

[CaRef5]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Help me out here. When did an illegal screen become a violation? And what is the signal for an illegal screen? Just a question.

Peace

it isn't a violation? your right! i thought i saw it in the violations part of the signals in the rule book.... but an illegal screen is a foul?

what would it constitute? a foul maybe?


and i am assuming there is no signal for an illegal screen (just the TC)...right?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by CaRef5

it isn't a violation? your right! i thought i saw it in the violations part of the signals in the rule book.... but an illegal screen is a foul?

what would it constitute? a foul maybe?


and i am assuming there is no signal for an illegal screen (just the TC)...right?

An illegal screen is a foul. If it is by the offense (and it almost always is) then the TC signal normally applies. But you still need to report the type of foul. Normally it'll be a block, but sometimes can be a hold or a push.

May I suggest you go study up on NFHS 4-40

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CaRef5

it isn't a violation? your right! i thought i saw it in the violations part of the signals in the rule book.... but an illegal screen is a foul?

what would it constitute? a foul maybe?


and i am assuming there is no signal for an illegal screen (just the TC)...right?

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

An illegal screen is a foul. If it is by the offense (and it almost always is) then the TC signal normally applies. But you still need to report the type of foul. Normally it'll be a block, but sometimes can be a hold or a push.

May I suggest you go study up on NFHS 4-40

Just to add to BITS' excellent response.

Make sure there's illegal contact before you call a foul. The screener can be moving all they want if there's no contact; and there's nothing to call. Further, not all contact is illegal.