Calling an illegal screen

[CaRef5]

How would you go about doing so...

Team A has the ball (obviously)

A1 sets an illegal pick on B1 around the freethrow area (grey area) you are the trail (in a 2-man crew) what do you do...


just making sure my mechanics i do, are done properly....but i blow my whistle indicating a foul, signal the illegal screen, then point to the spot where the ball is coming back in, then report? is this right?

thanks

[Kelvin green]

This is a team control foul...

Me... I blow the whistle and then punch with the team control foul signal and verbally yell "offense"....

[BillyMac]

Blow whistle. Fist in air. Step toward player who committed foul. Birddog if necessary. State jersey color and number of player who committed foul. At site of foul, indicate type of foul with proper signal. Indicate the throw in spot. Proceed to reporting area. State jersey color and number of player who fouled, simultaneously using one hand to signal number of player who fouled. Indicate type of foul using proper signal. Switch positions with your partner after reporting the foul.

I'm not sure about a few things regarding signals. Do you give both the blocking foul (illegal screen) signal, and/or, the team control signal at the site of the foul, and/or, the reporting area? NFHS citations, and IAABO citations please.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

This is a team control foul...

Me... I blow the whistle and then punch with the team control foul signal and verbally yell "offense"....

What page is that on in the mechanics manual?

[Kelvin green]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

What page is that on in the mechanics manual?

are you talking about the not raising the fist? or yelling "offense"?

The term offense is accurate because the foul is on the offensive team...

You are right that the mechanics manual calls for the fist up first... (Where I officiate it appears rarely that on a team control foul that we raise a fist and then do team control and then do a prelim signal and then tell the player... ) but I would suggest that in many areas on team or player control rarely is the fist up...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

Yelling "offense"?

Our local interpreter, and evaluators, do not want us to yell, "Offense". They want us to state, "Team control foul", or, "Player control foul". I don't believe that it's in any manual, it's just a local thing.

[chartrusepengui]

Do you yell "defense" when the foul is on the defensive team?

[stripes]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

What page is that on in the mechanics manual?

****This post is not meant, in any way, to suggest that using proper mechanics is not important!!!****


Any one who has seen me ref knows that my floor mechanics are not great. They are very stripped down and "college", not very NF. I referee a fair amount of HS games and had gotten pretty far up the food chain locally, far enough that no one ever said anything about how my mechanics were not proper for HS games. That being said, I moved to another state and was a nobody there. My first season there I had a game between the #1 and #2 ranked 5A teams in that state. (that caused a huge uproar among the local officials, but that's another story)

There was an evaluator from the state office at the game watching me and my partner. I had 3 PC fouls during the game, which was won by the visiting #1 ranked team. After the game we were in the locker room with the evaluator going over the game and the PC fouls came up in the discussion. The evaluator said that the calls were great and that they were all needed in the game. He praised me several times for the good calls and then proceeded to rip me for never putting my fist in the air to start the foul call sequence. (I just point and yell "offense"). The ripping lasted lots longer than the praise ever did and then he told me what great calls they were and left. I sat in stunned silence for a few moments until my partner changed the subject.

My point in all of this is do what they want you to do wherever you may be. I moved back to my original state and can use my "regular" mechanics, but in the other state, I needed to do what they wanted. Observe and adapt. Do what you are supposed to do in your area.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by stripes

My point in all of this is do what they want you to do wherever you may be. I moved back to my original state and can use my "regular" mechanics, but in the other state, I needed to do what they wanted. Observe and adapt. Do what you are supposed to do in your area.

IMO, a very important philosophy that often gets lost in our discussions about officiating.

Supervisors/Evaluators are human and have their own quirks and peeves. The ability to adapt is very important to career progression.

[zeedonk]

On behalf of the Cadets out there- we will be evaluated and floor tested this season (if not already). How do we know which evaluators want which things? For instance, our cadet supervisor has several evaluators he sends out- pretty standard, I suppose. For evals and floor tests, is it best to just concentrate on trying to use the proper mechanics, or will we not know what we are doing wrong until we hear it or see it graded afterwards? What if the evaluator is not in tune with the supervisor? Does that happen?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by stripes

****This post is not meant, in any way, to suggest that using proper mechanics is not important!!!****


Any one who has seen me ref knows that my floor mechanics are not great. They are very stripped down and "college", not very NF. I referee a fair amount of HS games and had gotten pretty far up the food chain locally, far enough that no one ever said anything about how my mechanics were not proper for HS games. That being said, I moved to another state and was a nobody there. My first season there I had a game between the #1 and #2 ranked 5A teams in that state. (that caused a huge uproar among the local officials, but that's another story)
There was an evaluator from the state office at the game watching me and my partner. I had 3 PC fouls during the game, which was won by the visiting #1 ranked team. After the game we were in the locker room with the evaluator going over the game and the PC fouls came up in the discussion. The evaluator said that the calls were great and that they were all needed in the game. He praised me several times for the good calls and then proceeded to rip me for never putting my fist in the air to start the foul call sequence. (I just point and yell "offense"). The ripping lasted lots longer than the praise ever did and then he told me what great calls they were and left. I sat in stunned silence for a few moments until my partner changed the subject.

My point in all of this is do what they want you to do wherever you may be. I moved back to my original state and can use my "regular" mechanics, but in the other state, I needed to do what they wanted. Observe and adapt. Do what you are supposed to do in your area.

PLeeezzze Uncle Stripes, can you tell us the story? Pleeeze!

[stripes]

Originally Posted by fullor30

PLeeezzze Uncle Stripes, can you tell us the story? Pleeeze!

I moved in to this new state and was put on the V list right away (I was fortunate to have been able to work a scrimmage where decision makers could watch me work ina "real game" environment). This state uses officiating crews for basketball. For the first half of the season, I had no partner. I just filled in where the assignor needed officials. I had not sold my house in the other state and so my wife and kids were not with me. I had nothing else to do so I reffed as much as I could and was fortunate enough to work with the best officials in the area ( a major metropolitan area). That was a real boon for me because I got to know the "right" people early in my time there.

One of the top guys got hurt around Christmas time and was out of the rest of the season. The assignor asked me if I wanted to take his place for the second half of the season. I knew the partner and accepted right away.

The #1 vs. #2 game was the last game of the season. The two teams are rivals, the play in the same league and the #2 team's only loss to that point was on the #1 teams home court. It was the biggest regular season game in the state that year.

My partner called me and told me to get there early because the gym would be full. When I got to the game (prior to the JV game tip off), I was met by acop at the parking lot to tel me the lot was full. I identified myself as a game official and they told me that they had saved me a parking spot. I was escorted to a tennis court and I parked there.

I went directly to the gym and I got one of the two last seats in the gym (the other was for my partner who got there about 10 minutes after me). Ticket sales and the gym were closed before the JV games started. It was a loud, packed house for both games. Once my partner got there, he told me that his phone had been ringing off the hook all day with other officials (not the guys who had already worked with me, but from guys who didn't know me and only heard about me) wanting to know who was working the game with him because his regular partner was hurt. He told them he was working the game with stripes and then it started to hit the fan...they we all mad because I "hadn't earned the right" and "was brand new" and "couldn't handle the game" and "other guys deserved it more" and so on. My partner handled it perfectly. He totally stuck up for me and assured them that I was more than qualified.

The game went fine and then after the game his phone started ringing again (from the same group of guys) wanting to know how badly I had screwed the game up. Once again my partner totally had my back and let them know that things had been fine. He could have sold me out or thrown me under the bus, but he stuck up for me. I learned a great lesson about being a good partner off the court as well.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by CaRef5

How would you go about doing so...

Team A has the ball (obviously)

A1 sets an illegal pick on B1 around the freethrow area (grey area) you are the trail (in a 2-man crew) what do you do...


just making sure my mechanics i do, are done properly....but i blow my whistle indicating a foul, signal the illegal screen, then point to the spot where the ball is coming back in, then report? is this right?

thanks

The correct NFHS mechanic order is:
1. Fist straight up
2. Punch signal in front of body to indicate team-control foul
3. Preliminary signal for the nature of the foul
4. Indicate the throw-in spot

That comes directly from page 5 of last season's NFHS Basketball preseason guide.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The correct NFHS mechanic order is:
1. Fist straight up
2. Punch signal in front of body to indicate team-control foul
3. Preliminary signal for the nature of the foul
4. Indicate the throw-in spot

This is the right way to do it, and it's not that hard to remember. I will say that I point, rather than punch at the spot. At the table, I will give the punch to indicate team-control foul and we're not shooting free throws. I know it's wrong and it's a bad habit, but I can't seem to break it.

[zeedonk]

I've found that I have to sloooooowww down on this one. Most people/players/coaches don't know the team control foul signal. What I have done is hit the whistle-fist up-point direction and "offense" at the same time-spot the ball- report. What I am TRYING to do is the above HS mechanic, and I'm trying not to look like I'm landing planes...

Problem is, slowing down takes me out of my "flow", which I'm sure equals "not approved mechanics". Makes me look like I'm unsure of the call.

Our board is making an effort to ensure that we young'uns don't point- use an open hand (as in violation and keeping the thumb tucked in the palm)


Question- Making this call as the trail-> what do your local boards want you to do? Is this a "long switch" which, for us, is a no-no?