Unannounced change (from last year)

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

It's not really a change.

Disagree completely. It's a huge change. It changes the penalty for delaying a throw-in from a technical foul to a violation in nearly all cases. That's a change. Just like changing the swinging of elbows. It's the exact same change. The elbow rule was done as a "rule change", while the delay rule was done as an "editorial revision". But significantly changing a penalty is not simply a revision. The fact that they changed it to reflect widespread practice doesn't alter the fact that does, in fact, change the rule.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Disagree completely. It's a huge change. It changes the penalty for delaying a throw-in from a technical foul to a violation in nearly all cases. That's a change. Just like changing the swinging of elbows. It's the exact same change. The elbow rule was done as a "rule change", while the delay rule was done as an "editorial revision". But significantly changing a penalty is not simply a revision. The fact that they changed it to reflect widespread practice doesn't alter the fact that does, in fact, change the rule.

How is it different from this case play that's been in the Case Book for years?

7.5.2 SITUATION A: Following a violation, the throw-in spot has been properly designated and the covering official has waited a reasonable amount of time for Team A to provide a thrower. What does the official do now?
RULING: The official shall place the ball on the floor at the spot and begin the five-second throw-in count. Team A thrower must release the ball on a throw-in or request time-out before the five-second count is reached. (2-9-3)

2-9-3
If the throw-in team does not make a player available, the official shall place the ball on the floor. The official shall hand or bounce the ball to the thrower for a throw-in unless the throw-in is from outside an end line following a successful goal.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

How is it different from this case play that's been in the Case Book for years?

I don't know. I do know that it's substantially different from a rule that's been in Definitions for years.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I don't know. I do know that it's substantially different from a rule that's been in Definitions for years.

It's no different that 2-9-3 or 7.5.1. They're just now defining those two references as RPP. I've always placed the ball on the floor in these situations based on those references; never called a technical.

[BBall_Junkie]

I have never called a technical on this play and I have not used the put the ball down technique in years... Good game management prevents the need for this imo...

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

I have never called a technical on this play and I have not used the put the ball down technique in years... Good game management prevents the need for this imo...

If by "good game management" you mean that you allow teams extra time to get out of their timeout huddle so that you don't have to put the ball on the floor, I would question your "game management".

[BBall_Junkie]

Originally Posted by Smitty

If by "good game management" you mean that you allow teams extra time to get out of their timeout huddle so that you don't have to put the ball on the floor, I would question your "game management".

Reading is fundamental... I never said I allow extra time to get out of their huddle...

Question all you like but it works... I work strictly 3 man crews. When you have one offiicial at each huddle at the warning horn and one "in" the huddle at the final buzzer, the teams come out almost always without a problem. If they don't I have a talk with the coach suggesting that the ball will be placed on the floor and this has always solved the problem. When the officials are right there clapping and verbalizing the kids come out... Good game management.

It works... like I said... I have not had to put the ball down in years and I don't have to wait or beg/repeatedly blow my whistle.

In fact, around here officials who put the ball down are looked at as those who are not capable of keeping the game moving through effective game mangement practices.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

How is it different from this case play that's been in the Case Book for years?

7.5.2 SITUATION A:

NOte that this was 7.5.1B last year and is 7.5.1C this year.

2-9-3
If the throw-in team does not make a player available, the official shall place the ball on the floor. The official shall hand or bounce the ball to the thrower for a throw-in unless the throw-in is from outside an end line following a successful goal.

Moved to 4-38 (and the reference in the case changed) last year.