First game of the "season"

[fiasco]

I'm just blowing smoke here, but maybe the reason people don't stick around here very long is that it seems like, no matter what the thread, there is always someone wanting to add their own little piece of criticism, even on a lighthearted thread such as this one.

Does it not strike anyone else as incredibly pretentious when someone posts a thread just to mention a funny comment and then gets backhandedly criticized for not handing out enough technical fouls?

Probably is just me, but I just thought I'd mention it in light of the other thread.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I'm just blowing smoke here, but maybe the reason people don't stick around here very long is that it seems like, no matter what the thread, there is always someone wanting to add their own little piece of criticism, even on a lighthearted thread such as this one.

Does it not strike anyone else as incredibly pretentious when someone posts a thread just to mention a funny comment and then gets backhandedly criticized for not handing out enough technical fouls?

Probably is just me, but I just thought I'd mention it in light of the other thread.

I have learned to enjoy the posts I want to and ignore the posts I don't want to enjoy. In this case, just ignore the one criticizing you and enjoy the others. It's not that big of a deal - the people who have "left" the forum just never learned to get past that.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I'm just blowing smoke here, but maybe the reason people don't stick around here very long is that it seems like, no matter what the thread, there is always someone wanting to add their own little piece of criticism, even on a lighthearted thread such as this one.

You may think that your comment was lighthearted. The person that you made it to might disagree with you completely. If you want to run that risk...especially in a rec league...hey, so be it.

Good luck.

Originally Posted by fiasco

Does it not strike anyone else as incredibly pretentious when someone posts a thread just to mention a funny comment and then gets backhandedly criticized for not handing out enough technical fouls?

I guess this was directed towards me. I apologize as I don't want to be the cause of people leaving

That being said, I just wonder anytime I see a member of the fraternity posting words:
- first game of the season
- jawing at me the whole game
- description of officials negative facial expressions
- back & forth verbal exchanges between player & official

Just wanted to know what was done about it. My bad, I'll let you manage your games your way without comments in the future.

Sucks for the official that works behind you & has to hear "last week the officials let us jaw at them throughout the whole game".

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

I guess this was directed towards me. I apologize as I don't want to be the cause of people leaving

That being said, I just wonder anytime I see a member of the fraternity posting words:
- first game of the season
- jawing at me the whole game
- description of officials negative facial expressions
- back & forth verbal exchanges between player & official

Just wanted to know what was done about it. My bad, I'll let you manage your games your way without comments in the future.

Sucks for the official that works behind you & has to hear "last week the officials let us jaw at them throughout the whole game".

You handle yourself however you please. I'm just making the point that perhaps the reason some people find this board caustic is because they feel like they can't post anything without someone jumping down their throat with a "sounds like you should have...."

If you really just wanted to ask an innocent question about what was done about it, you would have. You chose instead to criticize.

Once again I apologize for voicing my opinion on this public forum.

In addition to camps/clinics/seminars, I utilize this forum as a learning tool. People get criticized in the camp setting all the time... they don't quit.
I don't see why people would quit coming here because of criticism. I'm not going to stop my growth & developement because of criticism & boy did I go through it when I first started posting here. After a while I learned that the criticism was well deserved & I became a better official because of it.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Once again I apologize for voicing my opinion on this public forum.

In addition to camps/clinics/seminars, I utilize this forum as a learning tool. People get criticized in the camp setting all the time... they don't quit.
I don't see why people would quit coming here because of criticism. I'm not going to stop my growth & developement because of criticism & boy did I go through it when I first started posting here. After a while I learned that the criticism was well deserved & I became a better official because of it.

Wow. I'm not sure what really to take away from you equating quitting a basketball camp to quitting this forum.

But, to go with your analogy, I would quit a basketball camp and go find a new one if I found most of the instructors to be pretentious and condescending.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Wow. I'm not sure what really to take away from you equating quitting a basketball camp to quitting this forum.

But, to go with your analogy, I would quit a basketball camp and go find a new one if I found most of the instructors to be pretentious and condescending.

Well then maybe this forum or any forum is not for you. When you say things on this site, it is not much different than you saying it in a meeting or in the locker room. Someone might take exception to your comments and criticize them. And if you cannot handle the instruction from a camp, then you will not be able to take comments here. And this is just not me saying this; there is a certain reality to when you say things on a public place like this forum.

Peace

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well then maybe this forum or any forum is not for you. When you say things on this site, it is not much different than you saying it in a meeting or in the locker room. Someone might take exception to your comments and criticize them. And if you cannot handle the instruction from a camp, then you will not be able to take comments here. And this is just not me saying this; there is a certain reality to when you say things on a public place like this forum.

Peace

And there is a certain reality to people not wanting to be talked down to. I don't put up with it in the locker room, in a camp or on a message board.

I'm all for constructive criticism. But I don't put up with being talked down to.

Originally Posted by fiasco

Wow. I'm not sure what really to take away from you equating quitting a basketball camp to quitting this forum.

Reading IS fundamental!

Originally Posted by Ch1town

In addition to camps/clinics/seminars, I utilize this forum as a learning tool.

They are both learning tools...

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Reading IS fundamental!



They are both learning tools...

I think what you're not really grasping here, in addition to the fact that your tone and comments are incredibly condescending, is that the CRITICISM is not the problem. The way you COMMUNICATE that criticism is.

Actually, I guess that wouldn't be "in addition to..."

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I think what you're not really grasping here, in addition to the fact that your tone and comments are incredibly condescending, is that the CRITICISM is not the problem. The way you COMMUNICATE that criticism is.

Actually, I guess that wouldn't be "in addition to..."

How are discerning tone from an internet post? Could one infer that your current tone is anger?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I think what you're not really grasping here, in addition to the fact that your tone and comments are incredibly condescending, is that the CRITICISM is not the problem. The way you COMMUNICATE that criticism is.

Actually, I guess that wouldn't be "in addition to..."

Holy crap! I just went back and re-read what Ch1town wrote in his first post of this thread, and frankly, if that offended you, you need some thicker skin. You're capable of taking "jawing" "all game," but you can't handle an official wondering why you didn't stop the jawing?

You take verbal abuse on the court, but take exception to criticism (mild criticism, at that) on line?

Looks to me like Ch1town may have struck a chord or something.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I'm just making the point that perhaps the reason some people find this board caustic is because they feel like they can't post anything without someone jumping down their throat with a "sounds like you should have...."

A statement like "sounds like you should have...." is what we in the officiating world call advice. You have the option of taking or rejecting that advice.

And fwiw I agree with Ch1town when he questioned you about letting players jaw at you and your partner the whole game(your words). That's never a good idea in any league imo.

If you take offense to something like the above, then...then, as Jrut said.....maybe you are in the wrong place.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

A statement like "sounds like you should have...." is what we in the officiating world call advice. You have the option of taking or rejecting that advice.

And fwiw I agree with Ch1town when he questioned you about letting players jaw at you and your partner the whole game(your words). That's never a good idea in any league imo.

If you take offense to something like the above, then...then, as Jrut said.....maybe you are in the wrong place.

Thanks for your input.