Earrings & Liability

[JRutledge]

I do not know of a single case that has been filed about this issue. I am sure someone knows of a specific case. Considering the litigious nature of this country and that people and companies are sued all the time over a perceived violation of a policy or something that is not even against policy, I do not want to take the chances. But if a tournament says it is OK, I would have no problem throwing them under the bus if there is a legal action taken.

Peace

I had the opportunity to work a NCAA-W summer league this year. The women had bobbypins, earrings, studs (tongue) I tried to have them remove the illegal objects, but the director insisted that "it's only summer ball". So we played on & without any incidents thank God! I'm learning that summer ball isn't as by the book as the regular season, but one would tend to think safety should be a goal year 'round

Only 119 days until the regular season tips off! Then we won't have to hear the tired "it's only summer ball" excuses anymore



coach: You didn't see that travel?
official: Yes but it's only summer ball.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

I had the opportunity to work a NCAA-W summer league this year. The women had bobbypins, earrings, studs (tongue) I tried to have them remove the illegal objects, but the director insisted that "it's only summer ball". So we played on & without any incidents thank God! I'm learning that summer ball isn't as by the book as the regular season, but one would tend to think safety should be a goal year 'round

Only 119 days until the regular season tips off! Then we won't have to hear the tired "it's only summer ball" excuses anymore



coach: You didn't see that travel?
official: Yes but it's only summer ball.

And I would have said to the TD, if they sue you and me is that going to be your excuse? Summer ball does not excuse any safety issue. I know that is hard to fight for sometimes and I have been there as well. But I will not play a game with a clear safety violation.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Saftey rules should never be waived. End of discussion.

[RCBSports]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Saftey rules should never be waived. End of discussion.

Agreed. Safety is for the kids. Hence why they make rules =P

-Lucas

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Safety rules should never be waived. End of discussion.

Unfortunately, some officials will always find some kind of weak excuse not to take care of bidness.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Unfortunately, some officials will always find some kind of weak excuse not to take care of bidness.

I do not think that is fair. Many times the Tournament Director is more concerned about making the participants happy and they are unaware of the rules in the first place. I had the very same thing several years ago and I did not know what to do at the time. Now I take a much clearer stand and what is required as it deals with the rules. During the regular season this is not an issue because we are under the jurisdiction of the state and if we do not enforce the rules thoroughly, there is a different consequence. Often during the summer the TD wants to make everyone happy and they do not have a set of rules or an organization making sure they follow strict guidelines.

Peace

[Man In Blue]

It's just summer ball..

Why do you have to call it so tight?

Don't call a travel...

What's a hand check?

It's just blood...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think that is fair. Many times the Tournament Director is more concerned about making the participants happy and they are unaware of the rules in the first place. I had the very same thing several years ago and I did not know what to do at the time. Now I take a much clearer stand and what is required as it deals with the rules. During the regular season this is not an issue because we are under the jurisdiction of the state and if we do not enforce the rules thoroughly, there is a different consequence. Often during the summer the TD wants to make everyone happy and they do not have a set of rules or an organization making sure they follow strict guidelines.

I agree with both of you.

On the one hand, TDs (and coaches, players, and Moms) are taking advantage of newer officials who aren't as sure of themselves. You get a 19 or 20 year old kid in there; with Mom screaming about all the money she just spent that morning getting her daughter hole-punched, coach saying you can't force his best player to the bench, and the TD (who essentially writes your paycheck) wanting to make the coach and mom (who essentially write his check) happy, and it's no wonder the refs cave.

On the other hand, there are enough veteran officials who should know better who come in with the "it's summer ball" attitude and never even question the little bit of tape on the ears.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think that is fair. Many times the Tournament Director is more concerned about making the participants happy and they are unaware of the rules in the first place. I had the very same thing several years ago and I did not know what to do at the time. Now I take a much clearer stand and what is required as it deals with the rules. During the regular season this is not an issue because we are under the jurisdiction of the state and if we do not enforce the rules thoroughly, there is a different consequence. Often during the summer the TD wants to make everyone happy and they do not have a set of rules or an organization making sure they follow strict guidelines.

Peace

None of that matters if someone gets hurt. Even with a waiver, they can prove you're negligent because you knew the rules but still allowed her to play.

[Y2Koach]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

coach: You didn't see that travel?
official: Yes but it's only summer ball.

I actually had this exact conversation with an official, at a High School Varsity level summer jamboree. It actually went like this:

Y2Koach: Isn't that a travel
Official: haha, yes it is
Y2Koach: He did it again, haha
Official: I saw that
Y2Koach: Call it then, he's getting past our guy every time!
Official: I know, but it's just summer ball. If I called every travel, he'd have like 10 and this game would take forever
Y2Koach: Do you have somewhere to go???
Official: That's enough, coach
Y2Koach: So what happens when that kid goes into next season and gets called for a travel every time he gets the ball?? How does he get better??
Official: That's not my job, coach.
Y2Koach: Then what IS your job?
Official: *TWEET*, technical foul...
Opposing coach: What did you do?
Y2Koach: He said he saw #21 travel several times, but didn't call it cuz he has somewhere to go...
Opposing coach to #21: See! i TOLD YOU THAT MOVES A TRAVEL!!
#21: No it's not, they didn't call it
Opposing coach: Wait, isn't it running time?
Y2Koach: He said it, not me...
Opposing coach to Y2Koach: We've been trying to get #21 to break that habit of dragging his back foot on that move...
Official: That's enough coach
Opposing coach to Y2Koach: I'm not even talking to him!
Official: *TWEET* technical foul...

hilarious...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Y2Koach

Official: I know, but it's just summer ball. If I called every travel, he'd have like 10 and this game would take forever

I wish I didn't believe you; but I do.
Answer: "No, if you called everyone, he'd stop after 2 or 3."

Did he offset the Ts?

[fullor30]

Had 'just summer ball' varsity girls tournament a few weeks ago with all the aforementioned cliches "the other refs said it's ok" "C'mon, just summer ball"

Favorite is "I can't take them out, I just got them in" I politely say I'm not telling you to remove them but you can't play with them in. Coach then echoes players story. Game starts with girl on bench, a quarter later, guess what? the earrings that couldn't be removed are out. I told her at half she moved much quicker without them. At least I got a smile.

I have no problem enforcing this rule.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Y2Koach

Opposing coach to #21: See! i TOLD YOU THAT MOVES A TRAVEL!!
#21: No it's not, they didn't call it

Hard to argue with this logic.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Y2Koach

I actually had this exact conversation with an official, at a High School Varsity level summer jamboree. It actually went like this:

Y2Koach: Isn't that a travel
Official: haha, yes it is
Y2Koach: He did it again, haha
Official: I saw that
Y2Koach: Call it then, he's getting past our guy every time!
Official: I know, but it's just summer ball. If I called every travel, he'd have like 10 and this game would take forever
Y2Koach: Do you have somewhere to go???
Official: That's enough, coach

hilarious...

I must be missing something here. Does not the clock run during the summer? Whether I call 80 fouls and violations, the game moves pretty much at the same pace does it not?

Actually the more fouls (or violations) I call, the less I have to move.

Peace