Question about more unwritten rules...

[mu4scott]

This is kind of geared more towards the college officials. When you are watching high school officials work what things do you see that seperate NFHS and college officials? What things make you cringe?

ex. Non-pleated pants.
velcro shoes I've seen it.
certain jackets

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mu4scott

This is kind of geared more towards the college officials. When you are watching high school officials work what things do you see that seperate NFHS and college officials? What things make you cringe?

ex. Non-pleated pants.

Oh, very definitely it has to be non-pleated pants. As an example, take the official that made posts #7 and 9 in this thread:

http://forum.officiating.com/showthr...816#post382816

I definitely cringed at that poor soul. No doubt that he's never gonna make a college official. Yup, he's definitely gonna be one of them lowly high school officials his whole career.

Made me cringe. Cringe, I tell ya.

[mu4scott]

Wow good work. I feel honored and slightly stalked.

Pleated pants are the way to go.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mu4scott

Wow good work. I feel honored and slightly stalked.

Pleated pants are the way to go.

Stalked? Nope...just kinda wondering what the point behind your post was. In my experience, what an official wears isn't really the determining factor as to whether that official is competent or not at the level they're working. Their supervisor will usually determine their dress code.

I've yet to see the pants blow a call anyway.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Stalked? Nope...just kinda wondering what the point behind your post was. In my experience, what an official wears isn't really the determining factor as to whether that official is competent or not at the level they're working. Their supervisor will usually determine their dress code.

I've yet to see the pants blow a call anyway.

I've had pants blow a seam.

Wait, never mind.

[Odd Duck]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Stalked? Nope...just kinda wondering what the point behind your post was. In my experience, what an official wears isn't really the determining factor as to whether that official is competent or not at the level they're working. Their supervisor will usually determine their dress code.

I've yet to see the pants blow a call anyway.

Certainly not a determining factor but it can be very important...it can buy you some time with the coaches.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Odd Duck

it can buy you some time with the coaches.

What does that even mean?

[mu4scott]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Stalked? Nope...just kinda wondering what the point behind your post was. In my experience, what an official wears isn't really the determining factor as to whether that official is competent or not at the level they're working. Their supervisor will usually determine their dress code.

I've yet to see the pants blow a call anyway.

I think appearance is a very important factor. You may be the best official in the world, but if you look unproffesional and inadequate you will be treated as such. JMHO

I read this forum on a daily basis and obviously don't post much. I think I'm a part of the vast majority of people who want to get better and this forum helps a lot. It seems the tone of your responses at times falls into the category of belittling, mocking or ridiculing fellow officials for your own enjoyment.

I’ve learned a lot from this place (ex. no flat front pants) and it’s made me a better official. Please realize most of us come here to become more skilled and not all of us have mastered the art of officiating.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Oh, very definitely it has to be non-pleated pants. As an example, take the official that made posts #7 and 9 in this thread:

http://forum.officiating.com/showthr...816#post382816

I definitely cringed at that poor soul. No doubt that he's never gonna make a college official. Yup, he's definitely gonna be one of them lowly high school officials his whole career.

Made me cringe. Cringe, I tell ya.

I swear that JR has some sort of relational database running.

[dahoopref]

A HS official (who just got into JC ball) asked me to watch his HS game and critique his performance. I knew his veteran partner who also worked JC.

During the game they had an "illegal screen" call and used the player control signal; they were in the bonus but did not shoot free throws. They realized their mistake too late for the correctable error.

Then they had a technical foul on a player and proceeded to the POI giving the ball to the team that was issued the T. As they were going to inbound the ball, the offended team's coach wondered why he wasn't getting the ball at half court. The officials eventually gave the ball to the right team but the whole situation looked very unprofessional.

When I went into the locker room after the game, I pretty much told them it looked like a mess out there; and they acknowledged it.

I have seen these situations happen many times at college camps where I'm asked to observe. Some officials have that "switch" that they can turn on and off with HS rules and mechanics. Those who don't have that "switch" attend camps at their own dismay. When a situations like this happen, they looked confused and in shell-shock. An assignor will see this and will usually not hire them into a conference.

[justacoach]

"During the game they had an "illegal screen" call and used the player control signal; they were in the bonus but did not shoot free throws. They realized their mistake too late for the correctable error."

Pray tell, what was the exact mechanic?? Hand behind head or punch?
What makes you think FTs are warranted in this situation?

Seems like you are nearly as confused as they were.......

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

A HS official (who just got into JC ball) asked me to watch his HS game and critique his performance.

During the game they had an "illegal screen" call and used the player control signal; they were in the bonus but did not shoot free throws. They realized their mistake too late for the correctable error.

I have seen these situations happen many times at college camps where I'm asked to observe. Some officials have that "switch" that they can turn on and off with HS rules and mechanics. Those who don't have that "switch" attend camps at their own dismay. When a situations like this happen, they looked confused and in shell-shock. An assignor will see this and will usually not hire them into a conference.

Mistake? You don't shoot FT's for team control fouls.

Good luck at finding a "switch" some day.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Mistake? You don't shoot FT's for team control fouls.

Good luck at finding a "switch" some day.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but using NFHS rules, while in possession of the ball if Team A has 7 fouls and commits an illegal screen on Team B, does Team B get to shoot 1 and 1?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

Please correct me if I'm wrong but using NFHS rules, while in possession of the ball if Team A has 7 fouls and commits an illegal screen on Team B, does Team B get to shoot 1 and 1?

No, Team B would not get to shoot 1 and 1. FTs are never shot for team control fouls.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

Please correct me if I'm wrong but using NFHS rules, while in possession of the ball if Team A has 7 fouls and commits an illegal screen on Team B, does Team B get to shoot 1 and 1?

Rule change about four years ago......2005-06 iirc.

Have you been calling it wrong that long?