What to call?

[mick]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
I'm voting this way:

1. Dunker goes up I comes back down with the ball after
completely missing everything (ball did not touch the rim).

Travel. Not a legitimate try, IMO.

2. Dunker goes up & gets "stuffed" by either the underside
of the rim or the top of the rim.

No travel, reset the shot clock. This is a legitimate
try, IMO.

Dan,
If the Dunker goes up and misses everything, why is that not a try? The try would seem to be the reason the Dunker elevated.
Let's take the rim out of it and insert the backboard.
Do we still have a "no call", or do we now have something else?

mick

[BktBallRef]

If he hit the backboard, I would have a try, just as I would if he hit the rim, unless it's just a show-off move. If he doesn't touch anything with the ball, I'm with Dan. I have a travel.

Interesting question, and not very well addressed in the rule book.

crew, when I get a chance I 'll post some of the differences in the NBA versus NF and NBA traveling rules. But I can think of a huge difference without even looking! Can you?

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
when I get a chance I 'll post some of the differences in the NBA versus NF and NBA traveling rules. But I can think of a huge difference without even looking! Can you?

Would you be thinking of the question for which you get paid $5 each time it is asked?

And yes, it's legal in NF; but illegal in the NBA.

Chuck

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
If he hit the backboard, I would have a try, just as I would if he hit the rim, unless it's just a show-off move. If he doesn't touch anything with the ball, I'm with Dan. I have a travel.

Interesting question, and not very well addressed in the rule book.

crew, when I get a chance I 'll post some of the differences in the NBA versus NF and NBA traveling rules. But I can think of a huge difference without even looking! Can you?

Well, difference #1 is that the airball-catch-your-own shot is a travel in NBA - I'll spare crew the $5 fee.

The main difference, though, is that travelling is called in NF and not in NBA.

[bigwhistle]

Originally posted by MOFFICIAL
I had a situation in men's rec ball that I had to look twice about.
Big guy goes for a one handed dunk and the ball is in the cylander with his hand on it and ball touching the ring.As he is coming down he somehow pulls the ball back with him.
He returns with the ball to the floor.
His hand never left the ball.

You know, if you called basket interference on this play, there would be no discussion about whether or not it is a travel.

In the orginal sitch, the ball was in the cylinder, even on the rim, and then removed from the cylinder by the player. Basket interference does not take into consideration how the ball got into the cylinder, only that it did.

4-6-2 Basket interference occurs when a player touches the ball while any part of the ball is within the imaginary cylinder which has the ring as its lower base.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by bigwhistle

You know, if you called basket interference on this play, there would be no discussion about whether or not it is a travel.

In the orginal sitch, the ball was in the cylinder, even on the rim, and then removed from the cylinder by the player. Basket interference does not take into consideration how the ball got into the cylinder, only that it did.

4-6-2 Basket interference occurs when a player touches the ball while any part of the ball is within the imaginary cylinder which has the ring as its lower base.

Read R9-11Exception,Biggie.

[crew]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
If he hit the backboard, I would have a try, just as I would if he hit the rim, unless it's just a show-off move.

show-off move?

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by mick

Dan,
If the Dunker goes up and misses everything, why is that not a try? The try would seem to be the reason the Dunker elevated.
Let's take the rim out of it and insert the backboard.
Do we still have a "no call", or do we now have something else?

mick

As I was writing this I thought "Mick's gonna ask me about
the backboard". Hitting the rim or backboard is a try
on this play so he gets the travel unless he hits either
with the ball. (If you go up to dunk & miss *everything* then you deserve a travel!

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by bigwhistle

4-6-2 Basket interference occurs when a player touches the ball while any part of the ball is within the imaginary cylinder which has the ring as its lower base.

Look at the exception in 9-11. This exception (the dunk protection clause) applies to both putting the ball in and to blocking shots (i.e., A1 goes up for a dunk, B1's hand gets trapped by the ball outside the cylinder and gets pushed into the cylinder).

[mick]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

As I was writing this I thought "Mick's gonna ask me about
the backboard". Hitting the rim or backboard is a try
on this play so he gets the travel unless he hits either
with the ball. (If you go up to dunk & miss *everything* then you deserve a travel!

Dan,
I think if he forgets to leave the ball up there, he deserves a travel.
mick

[mick]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter

Look at the exception in 9-11. This exception (the dunk protection clause) applies to both putting the ball in and to blocking shots (i.e., A1 goes up for a dunk, B1's hand gets trapped by the ball outside the cylinder and gets pushed into the cylinder).

Mark,
...And your point is...?

mick

I sent you an e-mail a few days ago.
Did it look like garbage, or are you mad.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by mick

Dan,
I think if he forgets to leave the ball up there, he deserves a travel.
mick

We're saying the same thing, no? (I'm assuming in this play
he goes up & comes back down with the ball, an "up&down"
travel.)

[mick]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

We're saying the same thing, no? (I'm assuming in this play
he goes up & comes back down with the ball, an "up&down"
travel.)

Dan,
I really don't know what you are saying.
We apparently agree on the missing everything and returning to the floor.
So, we are at least in a 1/2-slow or 1/2-fast agreement.
mick

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by mick

Dan,
I really don't know what you are saying.
We apparently agree on the missing everything and returning to the floor.
So, we are at least in a 1/2-slow or 1/2-fast agreement.
mick

What I'm saying (for the last time) is that if A1 goes up
with the ball, does not make a legitimate shot attempt
and comes down with the ball we have a travel. Unless
of course a defender causes a held ball or fouls A1, neither
of which applies to this play. I don't care if he wants to
dunk it or not.

[mick]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

What I'm saying (for the last time) is that if A1 goes up
with the ball, does not make a legitimate shot attempt
and comes down with the ball we have a travel. Unless
of course a defender causes a held ball or fouls A1, neither of which applies to this play. I don't care if he wants to dunk it or not.

I see.
Thank you.