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The officials at this tournament were constantly talking about advantage disadvantage, especially when it came to hand checking the dribbler. I had a nice discussion with a few officials between games about this subject. Asked why a 2 handed hip check was not called a foul, one official said "well, he still got by his defender, so there was no advantage". When I asked "well even though he got by the first defender that held him, it slows him down enough for the second help defender, isn't that an advantage gained?" We had a good discussion about this with no real resolution, but it was interesting and thought provoking. All except for one ref who said "it's only foul if i call it a foul" and walked away. He was a short guy. |
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![]() 2008-09 POINTS OF EMPHASIS ... 2. ROUGH PLAY ... B. Hand-checking Defenders are not permitted to have hands on the dribbler or offensive players away from the ball. Hand-checking is not incidental contact; it gives a tremendous advantage to the person using illegal hands/tactics. An offensive player who uses his/her hands or body to push off in order to create a more favorable position has committed a foul. Regardless of where it happens on the floor, when a player: 1) Continuously places a hand on the opposing player – it is a foul. 2) Places both hands on a player – it is a foul. 3) Continuously jabs a hand or forearm on an opponent – it is a foul. |
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In my neck of the woods this whole handchecking topic is the way it is in summer ball. It's just part of the culture.
![]() I don't do very much summer ball and this is part of the reason. It gets pretty rough. The rules are set up so players have unlimited fouls and they know it. Partners don't want you to call anything short of murder,coaches-well I don't know what coaches want except every call to go their way, and for myself it's not that fun. There was a thread about mechanics or no mechanics in summer ball. Part of that thread was getting the calls right and working on adv/disadv. Heck around here in summer ball adv/disadv is really would he get time in county jail for that ? If yes tweet, if no pass. So being I have no interest in changing the summer ball culture of where I live I only do it when the assignors get jammed up and I get the last minute call. |
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Ball-Handler / Hand-Checking Places both hands on a ball-handler, it is a foul. Continuously places a hand on the ball-handler, it is a foul. Continuously jabs a hand or forearm on a ball-handler, it is a foul. Remember RSBQ. If the dribbler’s Rhythm, Speed, Balance, or Quickness are affected, we should have a hand-checking foul. |
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If none of these things are disrupted, then you do not need to call a foul. Fouls still have to have an advantage/disadvantage element to them. They also did not throw out the incidental contact rule either in this POE. And if anyone attended any of the camps I attended and you called a foul simply for two hands on a player, you would have heard about it a lot. ![]() Peace
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For college camps, what may be usually heard is "Don't you read the damn appendixes in the rulebook too? That tells you how the play should be called." ....As in NCAA Appendix II-Section7(b). Camps that advocate ignoring illegal contact is the reason the exact same NFHS POE's and NCAA bulletins on contact get issued year after year after year. |
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