Is this "over"-officiating?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If this was a normal game, you likely would not even be around. I would let the coaches and administrators take care of it for a summer league. IMHO, let it go.

Ignore unsporting conduct that happens directly in front of the official.
Wonderful advice.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Ignore unsporting conduct that happens directly in front of the official.
Wonderful advice.

Outside of Massachusetts since when are we responsible for monitoring the post-game handshake. Summer leagues and tournaments I'm a private citizen as soon as the game ends.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Outside of Massachusetts since when are we responsible for monitoring the post-game handshake.

He wasn't "monitoring" the postgame handshake as MA requires of their postseason officials, he was simply attempting to exit the court when an unsporting act occurred right in front of him. NFHS rule 2-2-4 very clearly states that he still has jurisdiction.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Summer leagues and tournaments I'm a private citizen as soon as the game ends.

BS. You just don't deal with it because you don't want to. That's the easy path which Rut also travels. A sad way to go through life.

It may well be true that in a summer tournament or league there may be no point in assessing a penalty, but that doesn't mean that the right attitude to take once the horns sounds is "Not me" and let someone else deal with it.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

BS. You just don't deal with it because you don't want to. That's the easy path which Rut also travels. A sad way to go through life.

What's really sad is someone who makes these bitter nasty comments about people simply because he disagrees with them. I would say you're the Barney Fife of officiating but at least old Barney was likeable. You're like the evil Barney Fife of officiating.

Anyway, instead of walking through the handshake line what I usually do in these situations is to walk around the bench to the table area or if that's not possible I'll wait at midcourt for the teams to end the handshake line before going to my seat. Someone else mentioned these kids may have been friends just goofing around, that's true often enough and you really don't want to make yourself look like the evil Barney here. If it seemed like they were serious I would do what you did but I would not throw Ts. Just break it up & move on to the next game.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

What's really sad is someone who makes these bitter nasty comments about people simply because he disagrees with them. I would say you're the Barney Fife of officiating but at least old Barney was likeable. You're like the evil Barney Fife of officiating.

Anyway, instead of walking through the handshake line what I usually do in these situations is to walk around the bench to the table area or if that's not possible I'll wait at midcourt for the teams to end the handshake line before going to my seat. Someone else mentioned these kids may have been friends just goofing around, that's true often enough and you really don't want to make yourself look like the evil Barney here. If it seemed like they were serious I would do what you did but I would not throw Ts. Just break it up & move on to the next game.

The point isn't that you have to throw a T under the circumstances given. I already acknowledged the possible futility of such a penalty in a summer game. It depends upon how the tournament or league is structured. Apparently you missed my writing that. In the future if you tried reading my words instead of spending your time coming up with silly references to TV shows that ended long before I was born, you wouldn't look like such an old fool.

The real point is that you would actually address the kid's behavior in some manner rather than run away and stick your head in the corner and pretend that you didn't see it as Rut would. You told the OP that what he did was fine. I happen to agree, but that's a far cry from "let it go" and "let the coaches and administrators take care of it" which is what Rut wrote.

Lastly, I have to believe that any reasonable person can tell the difference between two friends clowning around and a negative act. That's not too hard.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The point isn't that you have to throw a T under the circumstances given.

Thanks for the feedback Barney but if you actually read my post you'll see my comments to you are not concerning how you handle this particualr situation. My comments to you are simply concerning your nasty remarks.

[Nevadaref]

And your remarks are always so pleasant.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

He wasn't "monitoring" the postgame handshake as MA requires of their postseason officials, he was simply attempting to exit the court when an unsporting act occurred right in front of him. NFHS rule 2-2-4 very clearly states that he still has jurisdiction.

The funny thing is in most summer games most people are involved in do not apply pre-game activities, uniform requirements, dunking rules, coaches meetings and coaching box rules. But all of a sudden we are supposed to enforce jurisdiction rules when we do not deal with the many other rules that involve when and how we enter the court. Next thing you are going to tell me is we should wear jackets before the game and pants because the rules say so. I am sorry that I do not wear black socks instead of white Nike socks with my black shoes. I guess I am out of uniform and not following the strict guidelines of the precious National Federation. I am sure Mary Struckoff will be sending me a stern letter telling me how wrong I am. Then she is going to revoke my license for being such a bad boy all over a summer league that you cannot even name. Maybe Struckoff will revoke my subscription to the NF Quarterly.

Peace

[Dan_ref]

Wow.

This Mary Struckoff seems pretty evil too.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

BS. You just don't deal with it because you don't want to.

You're exactly right. In the summertime I'm dealing with unorganized teams, fill-in coaches, a 60-70% per game pay-cut, and fans who can appear on the court out of nowhere; I'm not watching post-game activities. I'm leaving the court to pack my sh!t or I'm finding a sit so I can rest up for the next game. I handle my business on the court and put an end to any extracuricular bullcrap before it has a chance to bleed into the post-game hand-shake.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That's the easy path which Rut also travels. A sad way to go through life.

What an idiotic statement! No further comment needed.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You're exactly right. In the summertime I'm dealing with unorganized teams, fill-in coaches, a 60-70% per game pay-cut, and fans who can appear on the court out of nowhere; I'm not watching post-game activities. I'm leaving the court to pack my sh!t or I'm finding a sit so I can rest up for the next game. I handle my business on the court and put an end to any extracuricular bullcrap before it has a chance to bleed into the post-game hand-shake.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What an idiotic statement! No further comment needed.

This is why I left it alone.

Peace

[icallfouls]

Personally, given the situation as described, it was handled properly. In a summer league game, where you might also be working the next game, what value is there in getting out the whistle and t'ing anything that moves? If it was that big of a deal, mention something to the coaches, game administration, and let them deal with it. Assignor's don't want their referee's hanging around looking for stuff to call after the game is over.

Hey Nevada, did you hear that assistant coach in the 87th row whisper how terribly you called the game? You freaking hear/see everything. What a power trip. I am glad you are NOT a police officer, you'd have everyone locked up.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Hey Nevada, did you hear that assistant coach in the 87th row whisper how terribly you called the game?

Apples and oranges my nondistinguishing friend. Let me spell it out for you since you are having trouble comprehending.

Go reread the prior posts.

I'm advocating dealing with unsporting conduct that takes place RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU as you are leaving the court following the final horn while Rut is saying to ignore it.

That's a far cry from something up in the 87th row.

So don't insult me and make comments about a power trip when you are the one taking great liberties with your examples.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Ignore unsporting conduct that happens directly in front of the official.
Wonderful advice.

Once again you miss the point. Then again this is not the first time so I do not expect you to understand the explanation.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Once again you miss the point. Then again this is not the first time so I do not expect you to understand the explanation.

Nope, I understand your position quite clearly. You want to pass the buck and let someone else deal with it because it occurred after the final horn. You just don't have the stones to take care of business right under your nose because it causes less waves to simply look the other way.