Finally - Its Go Time!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

And for the guys who say that they don't even know what a foul is in the NBA anymore, this is a game that they should've watched.

I'll pass that along to Mike Wilbon of the Washington Post and Rick Telander of the Chicago Sun. Those guys are just two examples of the many columnists that have written lately that they personally don't know what a foul is in the NBA anymore. Their exact words, Skippy. It's a fairly common, shared observation by long-time NBA observers; it ain't just coming from the haters. If you don't believe me, I'll take the time and go back and link up a few columns.

And, no, I didn't watch the game either. I had sumthin' much better to do. I was lining up all the socks in my drawer alphabetically.

Edited to add:
1) Michael Wilbon- "The larger part here is that nobody has ever known what is and what isn't a foul in professional basketball" AND "You can't get consensus from people who have been in and around the game for 100 years."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...052803351.html

2) Rick Telander- I personally have no idea what an actual foul is in the NBA these days."
http://www.chicagosuntimes.com/sport...rick11.article

They ain't the only ones sharing this particular sentiment.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I'll pass that along to Mike Wilbon of the Washington Post and Rick Telander of the Chicago Sun.

I'm not trying to change anybody's mind about the general state of NBA officiating. I only meant that this particular game was an example of what you would probably LIKE the officiating to be all the time. IOW, even if you thought NBA officiating was generally terrible, you could've enjoyed last night's officiating. That's all I meant.

BTW, as much I like PTI, I will never completely forgive Wilbon for saying that college officials are "too stupid" (direct quote) to know how to officiate big men in big games. (He was talking about the NCAA championship game with Greg Oden.)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

BTW, as much I like PTI, I will never completely forgive Wilbon for saying that college officials are "too stupid" (direct quote) to know how to officiate big men in big games. (He was talking about the NCAA championship game with Greg Oden.)

Agreed. I like Wilbon but I have heard him (and Korheiser) make some idiotic comments about officiating.

[JugglingReferee]

Last night's game was well officiated, imho. But there was that missed call against Kobe, which lead to the Boston HC getting T'd.

Scrapper, as for Wilbon, imagine if he were to be thrown to wolves and officiate a men's D1 pre-season game; I think he'd change his mind quite quickly. I like PTI too, but comments like the one he made are worthless.

Looks like it is the Celtics in 5.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Last night's game was well officiated, imho. But there was that missed call against Kobe, which lead to the Boston HC getting T'd.

The T was well-earned, tho, don't you think?

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The T was well-earned, tho, don't you think?

I don't think so. I think he could have given Doc a little leeway seeing he had a pretty good gripe about the non-call. Not a lot mind you...just a little.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The T was well-earned, tho, don't you think?

I didn't understand it. Does the NBA have any sort of policy about ABS? Or maybe the NBA has a policy of zero-tolerance about certain things being said.

I'm not very good at reading lips, so on the replay I still couldn't determine what was said by Rivers.

[Adam]

Kobe gets the award for quote of the week, and I'm not even a big Kobe fan:

We just wet the bed. A nice big one, too, one of the ones you can't put a towel over.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I think he could have given Doc a little leeway seeing he had a pretty good gripe about the non-call. Not a lot mind you...just a little.

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I didn't understand it. Does the NBA have any sort of policy about ABS? Or maybe the NBA has a policy of zero-tolerance about certain things being said.

I'm not very good at reading lips, so on the replay I still couldn't determine what was said by Brooks.

1) Brooks (Avery) is still looking for a coaching job. Doc Rivers was the guy who got hit with the T, I think.

2) Rivers was off the bench like a shot and nearly ran to the Lead official. I think that probably was his leeway.

3) He continued in the official's ear in transition, telling him three times by name that he missed the foul.

Was it last year that the NBA made such a big deal of its stricter bench conduct enforcement? I don't know if those guidelines are still in effect, but if they are then the T was a no-brainer. Even without those particular guidelines, I think Doc earned it.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Does the NBA have any sort of policy about ABS?

As far as I know, the NBA does not have a policy about ABS, or even PECS or LATERALS. The WNBA might, though. Let's hope so.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I only meant that this particular game was an example of what you would probably LIKE the officiating to be all the time. IOW, even if you thought NBA officiating was generally terrible, you could've enjoyed last night's officiating. That's all I meant.

BTW, as much I like PTI, I will never completely forgive Wilbon for saying that college officials are "too stupid" (direct quote) to know how to officiate big men in big games. (He was talking about the NCAA championship game with Greg Oden.)

I really can't argue your point because I never saw any of last night's game. And since you've never lied to me before.....

I will say that as a general comment on Wilbon and most commentators.....it's easy as hell for me to cherry-pick comments from some of 'em that might agree with some of my own personal beliefs...but....it's also usually just as easy to find comments from the same or other commentators that are completely antithetical to the same or maybe some other of my beliefs. You gave a good example above. It goes back to the old "opinions are like azzholes" analogy, I guess, which is probably apt in this discussion. And ultimately, who's to say who's opinion is right or wrong?

All I can really say for sure is how I feel. And I personally don't have a clue what actually constitutes a foul in the NBA today.