Plays...

[btaylor64]

I know we all miss calls but I just want to bring into question these plays. everybody talks about NBA guys missing "obvious" plays, well what about some of these. And before any of this great debate starts I would like to say that I believe that nba officials should be held to a higher standard and IMO they are.

Here are the plays:

I don't know about the second play, but the first play is blatantly obvious and 2 officials have a shot at this play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKHf00juP18

Is this not an obvious travel?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7DjZ...eature=related

What's illegal about this player's position?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mILwQctYLw

I think everybody remembers this one! I am sorry, some might say a bump is a bump but I just don't think this is enough especially with the clock so close to going off and this kid not even having a shot at...well... the shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No5hnQ0JjUA

Let the discussion begin?

[dweigs]

Bad calls are going to happen. Should NBA officials be held to a higher standard? That can be debatable. But you should also think that officials are human as well, they are going to make mistakes just like everyone else will. In my opinion an official will never cause a team to lose the game. If you think about it, unless a team makes every shot, doesnt turn the ball over, and does absolutely everything right to win that game, they are going to win and it will not come down to an officials so called "bad call." Everyone is human and everyone is going to make mistakes.

[Jurassic Referee]

The first two plays are obvious missed calls. No excuses possible....especially at the D1 level.

The third play....I've watched that play dozens of times and I still haven't seen an angle that would convince me of the correct call- one way or the other. In the first view it looks like the defender might have leaned sideways out of his vertical plane at the last second, causing the contact. I couldn't tell for sure because the camera panned upward to go with the shot, but it very briefly looked that way. A block may have actually been the right call....emphasis on "may". That's the kind of call where you'd like to be able to ask the calling official what he saw on the play.

We beat the fourth call to death in a past extensive thread. Iirc, the consensus was that the call had to be made because the admitted minimal contact forced the dribbler OOB. You can't ignore the OOB call, so the official really didn't have much choice other than to call a foul. Also iirc, the Big East backed up the call later as being correct.

Jmo.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The first two plays are obvious missed calls. No excuses possible....especially at the D1 level.

Agree completely. I always say that traveling is my toughest call, but the guy changed his pivot foot 4 times.

The third play....I've watched that play dozens of times and I still haven't seen an angle that would convince me of the correct call- one way or the other.

Agree again.

the consensus was that the call had to be made because the admitted minimal contact forced the dribbler OOB.

And I agree yet again. The only thing that makes this even a debatable call is the clock. It's obviously a foul to me because the contact forced the dribbler to step out of bounds. I'd love to have a force-out here, but there's no such thing anymore. Yes, it would've been great if the ref had hesitated for 2 tenths of a second. But he called the contact that he saw. It's not his fault the defender made a stupid play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

It's not his fault the defender made a stupid play.

Name That Call (New Game Show)

This is a great way to explain the call. I thought the same thing back when it happened. Scrapper1 describes this call in only ten words, and it can't be explained better than that.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The third play....I've watched that play dozens of times and I still haven't seen an angle that would convince me of the correct call- one way or the other. In the first view it looks like the defender might have leaned sideways out of his vertical plane at the last second, causing the contact. I couldn't tell for sure because the camera panned upward to go with the shot, but it very briefly looked that way. A block may have actually been the right call....emphasis on "may". That's the kind of call where you'd like to be able to ask the calling official what he saw on the play.

Jmo.

Agree...can't tell much about the contact from the video. However, the signal made was a hold, not a block. So, I'm guessing the call was for one of the defenders getting arm to arm contact as the shooter went up....but, again, the video was so poor it was hard to tell.

[Back In The Saddle]

Like everybody else, I'm having difficulty locating the foul here. But why is the L making this call? It's across the paint. The C had nothing on this play. Unless the C is screened from the contact, and from the reaction of the players it appears the foul was called on the defender closest to the C, which the L would have to look through 2 other bodies to see. IMHO, the L has no business making this call.

[crazy voyager]

The travell is just stupid, should've been called no question about it.
The first video. Well the OOB play is not good but the lead is to close. I've seen it before and I've been there, if you don't back away in that situation you will miss it. Why nobody else stepped in and called that I do not know though, the trail should've been able to make that call without for example.
The second call (elbow) is also due to an error by the lead. He follows the ball insted of watching the players closest to him. That's an error I think we all make though, it's not good but it will happen.

The blocking foul: I think they could've just dropped that and went with a no call. I do realise why the official calls it though becuse from the second angle it's impossible to say if the contact is legal or if the defender uses his side to initate it. Like I said I think they should just've ignored it and played on.

The last play has to be called, I agree with what has already been posted that even though it's just a small bump it forces the dribbler out of bounds and therefore creates a significant advantage for the fouling player. It's not a call you'd love to make but it has to be made, and that's what we're payed for so I don't think there's much more to say about it.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I know we all miss calls

Speak for yourself, grasshopper.