Reporting numbers after a foul

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Seems as though both ways of reporting to the scorer has its pros & cons

Saying "1-3" for #13 may result in the scorer hearing & recording "1" or "3"...

Saying "thirteen" for #13 may result in the scorer hearing & recording "thirty"...

So what is the preferred method FED/NCAA?

I have never had a problem by saying "1, 3" or "1, 4." The only problem I have ever had was the scorer got the colors wrong when I had two 45s guarding each other and the scorer had one of them foul out improperly. But I have never had a problem with the scorers ever figuring out what that meant or never assumed that "1, 3" mean "4" or some other number.

BTW, the NF or the NCAA has never addressed this in their literature as far as I know. It seems like they both leave this up to supervisors and clinics to teach the way it should be.

Peace

[M&M Guy]

I was always taught to use one-handed reporting in HS, while stating the individual digits as they're shown (one, three; not thirteen).

In NCAA-W we use two-handed reporting, and we have been told to say the number (thirteen, forty-two), since we are showing both digits at the same time.

I guess, as always, your mileage may vary based on the preferences of the powers-that-be in your area. For some, this is a big deal. For others, they may not care about how you report the number to the table, but they will make a big deal about exactly where you stand during a FT.

Either way, be careful which finger you use when signaling a one.

[BillyMac]

IAABO Handbook (page 55)
Foul Procedures
B. Reporting the foul
6. State the color of the jersey and the number of the player who fouled. Simultaneously, using one hand only, signal to indicate the number of the player who fouled.

Since I'm using one hand to show each individual digit of the player's number, I simultaneously state each individual digit of that number. That's the way we've been taught here in Connecticut, even when we were using NFHS mechanics, back in the good old days. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

What do NFHS mechanics say?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

6. State the color of the jersey and the number of the player who fouled. Simultaneously, using one hand only, signal to indicate the number of the player who fouled.

This doesn't really help, Billy, because as I mentioned earlier (and was pointed out by Bktballref), the player's number is NOT 1-3. The player's number is 13. The mechanic is NOT to state the number that you are currently holding up on one hand. You're supposed to state the player's number, that is, "thirteen".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

This doesn't really help, Billy, because as I mentioned earlier (and was pointed out by Bktballref), the player's number is NOT 1-3. The player's number is 13. The mechanic is NOT to state the number that you are currently holding up on one hand. You're supposed to state the player's number, that is, "thirteen".

I agree. But, this is what we're taught here in Connecticut, and it's easier, in my opinion, to say each digit as you show each digit.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

this is what we're taught here in Connecticut, and it's easier, in my opinion, to say each digit as you show each digit.

That's fine. But you tried to support it by quoting the mechanic manual, and I just wanted to point out that the manual doesn't really support it.

[Snake~eyes]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

That's fine. But you tried to support it by quoting the mechanic manual, and I just wanted to point out that the manual doesn't really support it.

Actually he quoted the "IAABO Handbook"




I am a "twenty-four" kind of guy. I'm just waiting for NFHS to go to TWO HANDED REPORTING. It would make things so much easier. JMO.

[Adam]

I'm a single-digit-at-a-time guy, no one has ever said one thing or another about it.

[Kelvin green]

My preference is that you report the number..

When the announcer announces the number does he announce the player as number 1-3 or number thirteen?

I like speaking english and reporting the numer and not individual numbers.

I report numbers and have only had problems with one scorekeeper, of course so did my partner...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

When the announcer announces the number does he announce the player as number 1-3 or number thirteen?

I like speaking english and reporting the numer and not individual numbers.

I report numbers and have only had problems with one scorekeeper, of course so did my partner...

I am assuming you mean number.

Also how the announcer reports the number is not the issue here. We report to the table so they do not mess up what is reported or they understand what is reported. What the announcer says in the microphone is another issue as well. I am sure how well you are understood is the way you annunciate your words and your speech type. I just think when most people hear only apart of what you say and you have words that are similar in nature (like the "teen" words) people might get confused.

[26 Year Gap]

I am in IAABOland and we've been instructed to say the actual number. If there is a loud gym and you say "One-Four", there is a chance that only the "Four" will be heard and a mistake might occur in the scorebook. If you say "fourteen", it diminishes the likelihood of that occurrence.

[CLAY]

If you are to say the number our loud, then I can see the schools going with numbered uniforms like 16,17,18, and so forth. Since the hand signals are not that important. If this is the case then more schools could retire more jersey numbers.

[Back In The Saddle]

I'm a whole number guy. Reporting is about communication and which communicates more easily, "one three" or "thirteen"? We all know thirteen, but "one three" takes just a little bit of mapping from what was said into a "real" number. I also think in a noisy gym, where they may not clearly hear all of what I say, "thirteen" is more likely to be recognized correctly than it's two digit alternative.

The hard part is disconnecting the signaling from the saying. I'll usually show the first digit as I'm saying the number, then after a suitable length of time has passed, I'll signal the second digit. But when I watch newbies try it, the fingers are inevitably connected to the syllables.

Just my $0.02

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I'm a whole number guy.

Which is different from Chuck, who's just a fraction.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Which is different from Chuck, who's just a fraction.

I need more tissues to wipe the Diet Pepsi off the screen.

I can't wait to see if he's gonna waste a "STFU" on you.