Foul Reporting Mechanics

[RookieDude]

Discussion came up with some other officials on how to report a foul and where to go after you have reported the foul.

Officials Manuel handles this, but wondering if all officials do it by the book.

i.e. Two man crew...official near ball calls a personal foul on B1. That official goes to the table to report foul.A1 then requests a time out.
Does the calling official then go back to the location of the ball, if it is going to be a throw-in, while the off official goes to the division line and then "switch" after the time out?

We have seen it done with the calling official staying at the division line during the time out...thus, creating the "switch" at that time.
Which way is correct?

RD

[mick]

Originally posted by RookieDude
Discussion came up with some other officials on how to report a foul and where to go after you have reported the foul.

Officials Manuel handles this, but wondering if all officials do it by the book.

i.e. Two man crew...official near ball calls a personal foul on B1. That official goes to the table to report foul.A1 then requests a time out.
Does the calling official then go back to the location of the ball, if it is going to be a throw-in, while the off official goes to the division line and then "switch" after the time out?

We have seen it done with the calling official staying at the division line during the time out...thus, creating the "switch" at that time.
Which way is correct?

RD

RD,
My regular partners go "by the book", ...generally.

R (Lead) calls foul from endline, reports and goes to New Trail, while U goes to New Lead.
U (New Lead) grants a time-out, reports then goes to division line, while New Trail gets the ball to spot.

Then U may say to R, "Let's switch, I've been here too long."
Or, they may just make eye contact that everything is copacetic.

mick

[LarryS]

In our association we are instructed to only switch on shooting fouls. When we call a foul, we are to clear the players to a point where we have a clear line of sight with the table (but at least past the free-throw line extended).

For a TO, the official who grants also reports to the table. The official "with the ball" handles the throw-in when play resumes. So, if the ball is in my area and I grant a timeout; I report it to the table, place the ball where the throw-in will occur (unless it is in front of the bench) and take my designated position (top of key for 30 sec., low box opposite side if full).

So in your situation, if it is a shooting foul that was reported, the partner would be taking care of the ball, I just report and go to my spot. If it is a non-shooting foul, I would still go to my spot but what I do after the TO would depend on where the ball was when play was stopped by my whistle.

Do I have you sufficiently confused?

[RookieDude]

Hmmmmmm, interesting points.
At the WA state 2A boys playoffs, officials were advised to have the calling official (of a TO) report to the bench and then take your postion at the location of where the ball will be put into play.
Therefore, if an official is on ball and grants a time-out, that official will report the TO and then go back and stand at the spot of the ball, while the off official takes the division line. This was hard for some officials to grasp, as many officials did not do it this way during the season.
That is why I asked the original question.
It was a Point of Emphasis this year to make sure the Official was standing at the spot of the ball during a TO so the Coach would know where the ball would be for the ensuing Throw-in. (Not just the ball laying there, but the Official with it.)
Larry, it sounds to me like you are using a College mechanic during TO's...standing at the top of the key during a TO.
Also, "low box opposite side"...is this another college mechanic?
We use to "pre-game" that we would use "college mechanics" for the TO's...since we thought they looked better...but, that is not what our State wants.
Comments?

RD

[rockyroad]

What year did this happen at Yakima?? I was always under the impression that the calling official took the t.o. to the table, stayed at half-court (near side of circle on 30, far side on fulls)...the non-calling official would hold the ball at the spot of the ensuing throw-in...if I was the calling official and was supposed to administer the throw-in, then we would switch back to correct positions after the first horn...

So...as T, I call a silly ticky-tack foul (like normal) on the defense, turn and report to table...as soon as I finish reporting, Coach B requests a time-out...I blow whistle and grant time-out, then report it to table and take my position at center circle...partner is holding ball at spot of throw-in...horn blows, I call out to both teams, and then run down to the baseline because I am the new Lead...if that's where throw-in will be from, partner flips me the ball and moves out to Trail...if partner will be handling throw-in (on sideline), then I am ready to go in my correct position...

[zebraman]

By NFHS, RookieDude is right. If you are going to bring the ball in after you report the time-out, you go to where the spot is going to be (your partner tosses the ball back to you after you report) and then your partner would take the centerline position.

I can't remember if this is clearly explained in the NFHS manual or not. We go over this each year in our meetings and there is always confusion.

Z

[RookieDude]

Thank you zebraman...I thought I was confusing this all again this year!
rockyroad...the officials were told this at Yakima last year. Also, our officials were doing "it" exactly as you described...but found out it was incorrect as zebraman stated.
BTW, where is all this stated? I was told there was a letter sent to our assignor from the State, but we never did see this letter. Apparently Spokane Officials received this letter.

RD

[Camron Rust]

Many, many officials, including ones here, mistakenly believe that the calling official is to go to the division line after reporting the time out. To do so would often (but not always) be incorrect.

Put simply, the official who will administer the throw-in/FT should, after the timeout is reported by the calling official, go to the spot that it will be administered. The other official should take the position on the division line. That person may or may not be the one who called the timeout.

It doesn't matter who calls it. It doesn't matter what the positions were when it was called.

Said another way...If the ball becomes dead for a timeout and the throw-in will be on your line, you take the ball to the spot after the report and your partner goes to the division line. If it will be on your partner's line, they take the ball to the spot and you go to the division line.

That said, I'm guessing that over 50% of the officials that I work with do it differently...the calling official goes to the division line. I just go along. No need making an issue of a rather trivial issue.

[mick]

Originally posted by Camron Rust
Many, many officials, including ones here, mistakenly believe that the calling official is to go to the division line after reporting the time out. To do so would often (but not always) be incorrect.

Put simply, the official who will administer the throw-in/FT should, after the timeout is reported by the calling official, go to the spot that it will be administered. The other official should take the position on the division line. That person may or may not be the one who called the timeout.

It doesn't matter who calls it. It doesn't matter what the positions were when it was called.

Said another way...If the ball becomes dead for a timeout and the throw-in will be on your line, you take the ball to the spot after the report and your partner goes to the
division line. If it will be on your partner's line, they take the ball to the spot and you go to the division line.

That said, I'm guessing that over 50% of the officials that I work with do it differently...the calling official goes to the division line. I just go along. No need making an issue of a rather trivial issue.

Camron,
Makes sense, but is it written?

Thanks
mick

[Pirate]

RookieDude:

What association in Washington state do you work out of?

[zebraman]

A short excerpt from the NFHS Officials Manual, Page 43.

Time-out mechanics for two officials:

The official who administers the succeeding throw-in should take the ball where it is to be put in play.......

The other official should be on the division line facing the table, ready to beckon properly-reported substitutes into the game and ready to give the scorer and timer any needed information.

Z

[ScottParks]

LarryS described the mechanic for 2 whistle games in Texas under TASO guidelines. TASO does not always use every NFHS mechanic and this is one that varies.