Girl kicked off boys team

[Back In The Saddle]

Let the blamestorming begin

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I think there's enough blame to go around. We can probably even include the Vatican's head of state.

No doubt! He was a nazi for pete's sake!

[ref2coach]

I blame Obama, isn't he trying to kick out the girl?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Because I also know the parents and the coach.

And???? Isn't it the child the parent's responsibility?? If she needs better competition, the parents need to get her into a league that has better competition...

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

And???? Isn't it the child the parent's responsibility?? If she needs better competition, the parents need to get her into a league that has better competition...

I'm not going to get into another pissing contest with you. I'm basing my opinion on knowing all the parties involved personally. You're entitled to your opinion as well, knowing none of the parties involved.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I'm not going to get into another pissing contest with you. I'm basing my opinion on knowing all the parties involved personally. You're entitled to your opinion as well, knowing none of the parties involved.

Huh?

What am I missing here? What does "knowing the parties" have to do with anybody's opinion on this? It doesn't make someone's "opinion" more valid.... or true.... than someone else's opinion.

An opinion is just and only that......an opinion. Differing "opinions" do not necessarily make a pissing contest.

Just my opinion....

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I'm not going to get into another pissing contest with you. I'm basing my opinion on knowing all the parties involved personally. You're entitled to your opinion as well, knowing none of the parties involved.

Wow...we've been in a pissing contest before? Must not have been very impressive as I don't remeber it. But I don't need to know the parties involved to know that it's the parent's responsibility to take care of their child and her future.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I'm not going to get into another pissing contest with you. I'm basing my opinion on knowing all the parties involved personally. You're entitled to your opinion as well, knowing none of the parties involved.

Whether you know the parties has nothing to do with this issue. The girl is going to likely play on a girl's team when she gets older. Parents dictate what their kids ultimately do and they should have kind of seen this coming (if you ask me). I really do not see the big deal as to why she must play on this team in the first place. There are not many sports that allow both genders to play on the same teams in the first place. And even the positions I have read from people outside the sporting world is more evidence how absurd this issue has become. When I was a kid there was a girl playing on the boy's team because there was no girl's team. It was not a problem and she I believe she started. But I do not remember her as being a world beater.

Peace

[Smitty]

The fact that I know the people involved gives a certain credence to my opinion. Whether you care to agree is up to you. Certainly all of you who don't know the people involved are basing your opinions on what you've read in a newspaper blurb. I would argue that knowing the people involved absolutely helps to understand the situation better.

The issue was that parents complained because a girl was playing on a boys team. The coach should have known it was against the league's policy to allow a girl to play on a boys team. Evidently, the coach was told on many occasions that it was against the league policy. The coach escalated the issue to the media. The victim is this poor girl who meant no harm - she doesn't want all this attention - she just wants to play basketball.

Ultimately, I simply don't care what everyone else thinks.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Smitty

The issue was that parents complained because a girl was playing on a boys team.

Smitty - since you are so close to the situation, do you think the parents would have complained if the girl was just an average player? Just asking.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Smitty - since you are so close to the situation, do you think the parents would have complained if the girl was just an average player? Just asking.

I doubt it, because I've seen girls play on boys teams before, and this same girl has played with the boys for a while now. The only reason the league intervened was because some parents from one particular team complained.

I don't know why the parents chose not to move her up to a more competitive team like the freshman or JV teams. I do know the girl is only 11 (maybe 12) and emotionally and socially might not be ready to be around older girls. Or maybe she doesn't want to play with the older girls just yet. She is very softspoken and shy. She just happens to be very tall for her age and has exceptional skills. It runs in the family.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Smitty

The fact that I know the people involved gives a certain credence to my opinion. Whether you care to agree is up to you. Certainly all of you who don't know the people involved are basing your opinions on what you've read in a newspaper blurb. I would argue that knowing the people involved absolutely helps to understand the situation better.

The issue was that parents complained because a girl was playing on a boys team. The coach should have known it was against the league's policy to allow a girl to play on a boys team. Evidently, the coach was told on many occasions that it was against the league policy. The coach escalated the issue to the media. The victim is this poor girl who meant no harm - she doesn't want all this attention - she just wants to play basketball.

Ultimately, I simply don't care what everyone else thinks.

Smitty,

The only facts I care about are that the girl was not allowed to play on the boy's team anymore. I do not care about how good she is or what her parent think.

Peace

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Smitty,

The only facts I care about are that the girl was not allowed to play on the boy's team anymore. I do not care about how good she is or what her parent think.

Peace

Then it's lucky for me you're not the only one here.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Smitty

The fact that I know the people involved gives a certain credence to my opinion. Whether you care to agree is up to you. Certainly all of you who don't know the people involved are basing your opinions on what you've read in a newspaper blurb. I would argue that knowing the people involved absolutely helps to understand the situation better.

Or perhaps the fact that you know the people involved causes you to shift blame to the party that you like the least - in this case the coach. Ultimately, the parents are responsible for where, when, and for whom their daughter plays. They should have known the rules of the league she was playing in...they should have known that eventually she would run into a situation just like this because she was playing in a boy's league. They either chose to ignore those things or purposefully put their daughter in a position for this to happen. Either way, it's their responsibility.

Not to get into a pissing match or anything...

[Mark Padgett]

Let me throw this into the mix. Years ago, I negotiated an new insurance policy for our local rec league. It was part of some "national" policy for rec leagues so we saved a ton of money. I was told that one of the conditions was that there could be no co-ed teams. When this story came out, I checked with our agent and he said that was still the case. In fact, one of our rules is that if a team has fewer than 5 players to start a game, they can "recruit" another player in the gym who is registered with the program, plays at the same grade level and is of the same gender. This is for insurance purposes.

Apparently, The Hoop carries their own insurance policy since they previously let her play on a boys team, but I wonder if this is a factor for other facilities. Also, I know a lot of other rec leagues around here in other sports have co-ed teams at low grade levels. We never have done that, and no one has ever questioned us about it.