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I don't think it's necessary to change, and I don't honestly think it's that big a deal. But we've certainly had discussions here on the forum about the "semantics" of the intentional foul, and we've often dealt with new officials who have been confused by the the name. I don't think it would hurt anything to change the intentional foul to an "excessive foul" or something like that.
Secondly, I don't see any America-bashing in Oz's post. Does anybody seriously deny that America is a highly litigious society? We invented the "frivolous lawsuit", for crying out loud. Does anybody deny that we live in a society where there is increasing pressure to use "politically correct" terms and conform to certain opinions on sensitive topics? Obviously, this is not the main topic of this thread, and I also agree with Jurassic that Oz's comments were unnecessary; but I honestly think the "America-bashing" comments are misdirected. JMO |
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My friend Joanne went to NYS to do some skiing a few years back. This particular hill had two small runs merge to a large run for the second half of the run. (Picture a "Y" spread out over a hill.) Joanne is an accomplished skier, and on one of her runs, when merging with the other section, had a unaccomplished skier "ski into her". Joanne went down like a brick, she says. The other skier, as it turns out, is from NYS. Not knowing Joanne is Canadian, and therefore seemingly not knowing that suing would never enter Joanne's mind, the NYS skier almost begged Joanne to "please don't sue me". She was happy when Joanne got up, and skied down the rest of the hill.
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There's still people (also coaches) who ask for "fallo intenzionale" instead of "antisportivo" (this is the Italian translation of unsportsmanlike). But there's people (also coaches) who don't understand the "over and back" rule which changed much more than 12 years ago to become more similar to the USA one, so I guess it's impossible that a habit vanishes completely. Perhaps the adjective "unsportsmanlike" is not the best choice, but I think that "intentional" conveys a meaning which is not intended by the modern interpretation of the rule (Fed, NCAA or FIBA): judge the action, not the intention, as others have said. It's difficult to explain to someone, who in general doesn't agree with officials' decisions (a coach, for example ![]() |
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The penalty is different, actually: 2 FT in general, only one FT if the offended player scores a basket (with a continuous motion etc.), or 3 FT if the offended player was attempting a three pointer and did not score. After the FT, possession at the division line for the offended team. |
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As someone who has used both NCAA and FIBA rules over the last few years, it seems to me that there no perfect terminology. Yes I have called intentional fouls where the player had no intent (in NCAA rules). Yet I also called unsportsmanlike fouls in FIBA where nothing unsportsmanlike happened.
For example a player in the open court has a clear path to the basket so they foul him to stop the layup; that is no an "unsportsmanlike" act in my book but I call it a unsportsmanlike foul. Maybe both types should be included? Nah, we've got enough types of fouls as it is. |
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But that has little or nothing to do with the legal system in any way. Peace
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