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Old Tue May 06, 2008, 03:38pm
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Didn't watch the game, but according to news reports the officials are NOT allowed to use replay in situations like that. Instead they ARE allowed to GUESS...which is what they did(and apparently guessed wrongly).

Go figure......
Do you expect the refs to use, "One Mississippi, two Mississippi, three Mississippi?" Because that is the only way they would know. There is no provision to use any other device and that is why the play stood.

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Old Tue May 06, 2008, 03:49pm
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Do you expect the refs to use, "One Mississippi, two Mississippi, three Mississippi?" Because that is the only way they would know. There is no provision to use any other device and that is why the play stood.

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They used something, because they ended up deciding the play took 4.6 seconds; and resumed play with .5 seconds remaining. Van Gundy is claiming he was told by Javie that they "guestimated" the play took 4.6 seconds. I'm not saying Van Gundy is telling the truth, but given that play resumed with .5 seconds, his explanation seems as plausible as any.

I know the NBA mechanic is to allow play to continue if a play is fully developed in this situation, and determine afterwards how much time should have come off. I wonder if one of the officials caught the stopped clock and started a mental count. But 4.6? Seems awfully precise for a guess.
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Old Tue May 06, 2008, 03:55pm
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They used something, because they ended up deciding the play took 4.6 seconds; and resumed play with .5 seconds remaining. Van Gundy is claiming he was told by Javie that they "guestimated" the play took 4.6 seconds. I'm not saying Van Gundy is telling the truth, but given that play resumed with .5 seconds, his explanation seems as plausible as any.

I know the NBA mechanic is to allow play to continue if a play is fully developed in this situation, and determine afterwards how much time should have come off. I wonder if one of the officials caught the stopped clock and started a mental count. But 4.6? Seems awfully precise for a guess.
I agree that they can try to figure out what time had moved, but they cannot use a clock or there is no device to tell them how much time should have gone off the clock. And the shot was attempted right at when the time would have expired according to the clock ESPN used.

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I'm only saying they should have a provision allowing them to use replay and a stop watch. Forcing them to make a "best guess" without even the benefit of the replay is just stupid.
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Old Tue May 06, 2008, 04:17pm
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I'm only saying they should have a provision allowing them to use replay and a stop watch. Forcing them to make a "best guess" without even the benefit of the replay is just stupid.
I agree, but that is something for the future. And you should know that most rules are not changed until something happens in a high profile moment.

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Old Tue May 06, 2008, 04:23pm
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I agree, but that is something for the future. And you should know that most rules are not changed until something happens in a high profile moment.

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Old Tue May 06, 2008, 04:20pm
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I'm only saying they should have a provision allowing them to use replay and a stop watch. Forcing them to make a "best guess" without even the benefit of the replay is just stupid.
I agree and that is why this will be changed in next year's rule book.

If I had to guesstimate I would say this is what happened in the conversation between Steve, Joe and Derrick. I would say they agreed that the shot was taken before the time would have expired and that they at least wanted to give Orlando a chance at a shot attempt so that would be the reason for the .5 that was put back on the clock.
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Old Tue May 06, 2008, 04:55pm
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If I had to guesstimate I would say this is what happened in the conversation between Steve, Joe and Derrick. I would say they agreed that the shot was taken before the time would have expired and that they at least wanted to give Orlando a chance at a shot attempt so that would be the reason for the .5 that was put back on the clock.
Got it. You guesstimated and they just guessed.

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Old Tue May 06, 2008, 05:07pm
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Got it. You guesstimated and they just guessed.

Nothing that happens anymore in the NBE surprises me.
Give it time.
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