Parker's LONG sleeve undershirt in the Final Four

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

As i understand it, she was wearing some sort of shoulder brace that had straps that went under and around her upper arm, so the sleeves were there to cover those straps and keep everything covered up...and there was permission granted based on medical needs - as Dan already pointed out, that's the way the NCAA handles it. And not just for Parker. We had a D-III player in this area who had medical permission to wear long sleeves due to some kind of skin condition on her arms.

Then why did she need the sleeves to go below the elbow? Why not cover the upper arm and also comply with the rule?

Originally Posted by Bearboy

We've had this situation a couple of times in girls HS.

My intent with this thread was to discuss the NCAA rule, not HS. The HS situation has nothing to do with this. The NFHS book does NOT include language similar to the NCAA one which specifically prohibits the sleeves extending past the elbow.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

When watching, I just assumed the rule was the same as for high school.

I was thinking the same thing until I checked into it. That is why I started this thread and posted what I found. It was my belief that many people probably were unaware of the precise wording of the NCAA rule. Clearly it is different from the HS ranks.

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I'm not going to look it up or post it but there's an ncaa ruling/bulletin that states the dress rules that you so kindly posted in mulit-font/multi-color are unenforceable if there's a medical condition that applies.

So...if the coach said yeah, there's a medical reason that she needs to wear whatever you posted in bold red letter large font then yeah, it's legal.

So basically what I wrote yesterday is accurate. If some kind of exemption/decision was made to allow this player to wear such, then why bother having that rule in place?
Also, I don't see how a long sleeve undershirt is medically necessary for an injured shoulder. That's just silly. Then again so is the NCAA enforcement policy, if what you say about the bulletin is true.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

So basically what I wrote yesterday is accurate. If some kind of exemption/decision was made to allow this player to wear such, then why bother having that rule in place?
Also, I don't see how a long sleeve undershirt is medically necessary for an injured shoulder. That's just silly. Then again so is the NCAA enforcement policy, if what you say about the bulletin is true.

No, what you wrote is absolutely inaccurate - what is inaccurate is your interpretation of the rule. A medical condition over-rides what you think is in the ncaa dress rules, as do religious considerations. Whether you believe that a particular exemption due to a medical condition is silly or not is 100% irrelevant. Your vote does not count, all you need to do is to get confirmation from the coach that a medical condition applies and tell the announcer to play the anthem, announce the players and then start the game. Pretty simple (even for you).

As for whether an exemption/decision might be part of the process... I'm guessing you threw that in without thinking about the words so I'll give you a pass.

In any event you're boring the sh1t out of me so I'll just leave you to your uneducated rants. Have fun.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Then why did she need the sleeves to go below the elbow? Why not cover the upper arm and also comply with the rule?


My intent with this thread was to discuss the NCAA rule, not HS. The HS situation has nothing to do with this. The NFHS book does NOT include language similar to the NCAA one which specifically prohibits the sleeves extending past the elbow.


I was thinking the same thing until I checked into it. That is why I started this thread and posted what I found. It was my belief that many people probably were unaware of the precise wording of the NCAA rule. Clearly it is different from the HS ranks.


So basically what I wrote yesterday is accurate. If some kind of exemption/decision was made to allow this player to wear such, then why bother having that rule in place?
Also, I don't see how a long sleeve undershirt is medically necessary for an injured shoulder. That's just silly. Then again so is the NCAA enforcement policy, if what you say about the bulletin is true.

Good grief, Nevada. Get a life.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Then why did she need the sleeves to go below the elbow? Why not cover the upper arm and also comply with the rule?

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So basically what I wrote yesterday is accurate. If some kind of exemption/decision was made to allow this player to wear such, then why bother having that rule in place?
Also, I don't see how a long sleeve undershirt is medically necessary for an injured shoulder. That's just silly. Then again so is the NCAA enforcement policy, if what you say about the bulletin is true.

Your medical opinion is of no relevance. If that is what her doctor told her to wear, she wears it. It may be that the type of support/protection she needed only happened to come in that size...or the medical supply place was out of the shorter one. It's not for us to ask why the medical appliance manufacturer didn't make it smaller or why the clerk didn't order more of the smaller. If a doc says she needs to wear it (and it is no safety hazard) it is a medical device, not part of the uniform....and the uniform rules don't apply to it.

As for why have the ruling....it keeps it from becoming a free-for-all with no reason. If it somehow gets abused and it becomes a problem, worry about it then.

[socalreff]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Your medical opinion is of no relevance. If that is what her doctor told her to wear, she wears it. It may be that the type of support/protection she needed only happened to come in that size...or the medical supply place was out of the shorter one. It's not for us to ask why the medical appliance manufacturer didn't make it smaller or why the clerk didn't order more of the smaller. If a doc says she needs to wear it (and it is no safety hazard) it is a medical device, not part of the uniform....and the uniform rules don't apply to it.

As for why have the ruling....it keeps it from becoming a free-for-all with no reason. If it somehow gets abused and it becomes a problem, worry about it then.

Amen. Preach it brother.