Call The T

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I can respect your opinion, and judging from the poll on this topic 75% of the officials her agree with you. But I guess my viewpoint differs here because I think a HS player has a different standard of behavior than a D1 player in a nationally televised championship game.

And I would respectfully submit that you are missing the point. It doesn't matter that it was nationally televised, or that it was a Championship game, or that it was a "big" game, or that it was an NCAA game...what matters is that the player was NOT demonstrating unsportsmanlike behavior. Frustration is not unsportsmanlike - it's oart of any game. If the method of displaying that frustration is unsportsmanlike, then we penalize it. As has been said several times in this thread - the ball slam was NOT in response to a call or no-call, and was not directed at the officials, and was not a taunt directed at the other team, and did not delay the game...there really is no reason to call a T for this - not even at the HS level.

[JRutledge]

We have had this discussion before, but this is the difference between a HS official and an official that works a lot of college. The HS official is trying to prove they need to call something, while the college official is usually trained to be a little more restraint and use a little bit of common sense. That is why you see officials spending a lot of time trying to justify this as a foul.

Peace

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

We have had this discussion before, but this is the difference between a HS official and an official that works a lot of college. The HS official is trying to prove they need to call something, while the college official is usually trained to be a little more restraint and use a little bit of common sense. That is why you see officials spending a lot of time trying to justify this as a foul.

Peace

Yeah. That's it. All us HS guys without any common sense

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Yeah. That's it. All us HS guys without any common sense

I did not say all. But your justification for this is based on a HS principle which you admitted that "In a HS game, I am calling a T." And the funny thing there is not "HS principle. When I read material about officiating, I almost never see, "At the HS level we do this...... and at the college level we do this......."

I know I officiate the same way at the college level as I do at the HS level when the rules and interpretations are exactly the same. The major difference is the players are bigger and faster. But the way I deal with coaches, conduct, and situations is exactly the same.

Peace

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

We have had this discussion before, but this is the difference between a HS official and an official that works a lot of college. The HS official is trying to prove they need to call something, while the college official is usually trained to be a little more restraint and use a little bit of common sense. That is why you see officials spending a lot of time trying to justify this as a foul.

Peace

Jeff, while I wholeheartedly agree with your general principle, I might disagree a little with your wording. I don't think it's strictly a difference between HS and college officials, I think it's a difference between an average official and a great official, no matter the level. There are great HS officials that understand this principle that do not work any college ball. Of course, if you work at the college level, it is probable you already understand these subtle differences.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Jeff, while I wholeheartedly agree with your general principle, I might disagree a little with your wording. I don't think it's strictly a difference between HS and college officials, I think it's a difference between an average official and a great official, no matter the level. There are great HS officials that understand this principle that do not work any college ball. Of course, if you work at the college level, it is probable you already understand these subtle differences.

I agree with the great part of your point of view. But in all the sports I work, college officials go to more camps, attend more training sessions and do more to get better because they have to. I am also talking about all the sports I work where HS officials can quote that rulebook, quote the mechanics book and if you tell them something that is outside of both they cannot function. I would agree that is very simplistic, but I can tell a mile away when someone is surprised by a common philosophy that is used at the college level.

Peace