Call The T

[Reffing Rev.]

Next year when you are reffing a Monday night JV game and T a kid up for doing that guess what he's going to say...

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Are you stupid? A T? GMAFB.

Just one of many reasons your asses are sitting home tonight and these guys are on the game.

That's all I was trying to say...

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

Next year when you are reffing a Monday night JV game and T a kid up for doing that guess what he's going to say...




That's all I was trying to say...

So you're living in fear of what some JV kid may or may not say to you next winter?

[Reffing Rev.]

What rule means you call the NCAA D1 final different than a NCAA D-III opening weekend game, or apply different principles to a HS JV Game...

THE only thing that changes is YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS the game... Then you are not impartial, and probably blow off contracts for JV games and make the rest of the refs in the world cover your tail.

All I was trying to say is that it establishes a precedent. Slamming the ball down and being stupified for getting a T will happen next year.

Now, I fully understand why it was not called, I just do not agree with it, and apparently I'm only allowed to have an opinion that is agreed upon by the majority of the board...I digress because I'm full of whatever, or stupid or whatever other name we can revert to calling our fellow officials...

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

Now, I fully understand why it was not called, I just do not agree with it, and apparently I'm only allowed to have an opinion that is agreed upon by the majority of the board...I digress because I'm full of whatever, or stupid or whatever other name we can revert to calling our fellow officials...

Puh-leeze, give us all a break.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

THE only thing that changes is YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS the game... Then you are not impartial, and probably blow off contracts for JV games and make the rest of the refs in the world cover your tail.

I've turned back a grand total of 2 assignments in 6 years. I'm sorry if you had to personally cover my tail. That must've been quite an inconvenience. My most humble appologies.

Though one time I did trade a 5:15 JV game for a 3:30 frosh game, so I could get to my daughter's band concert. I still flog myself over that at least weekly.

Oh, and I've turned back a few JV games for V games. I guess that makes me a bad man too.

And I would not have called that T. I'm going to hell. I know it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

What rule means you call the NCAA D1 final different than a NCAA D-III opening weekend game, or apply different principles to a HS JV Game...

I hate to break it to you, expectations change as the levels move up. Sorry, but that is the reality here.

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

All I was trying to say is that it establishes a precedent. Slamming the ball down and being stupified for getting a T will happen next year.

I am not sure I understand this statement.

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

Now, I fully understand why it was not called, I just do not agree with it, and apparently I'm only allowed to have an opinion that is agreed upon by the majority of the board...I digress because I'm full of whatever, or stupid or whatever other name we can revert to calling our fellow officials...

I do not understand why you are so defensive. I have not read anything that was insulting to you in any way (maybe I overlooked it). But there is a difference between a kid slamming the ball in anger with the officials or another player, then upset with himself because he just missed a big FT. When people start talking about what is automatic, it makes your job harder to do. There should be no automatic, just like a kid that blows out his knee I am not giving him a T for that either. I just wish officials would stop putting "automatics" standards for a bunch of things.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

...
I do not understand why you are so defensive. I have not read anything that was insulting to you in any way (maybe I overlooked it)...

Peace

Yeah, you missed it. It's one of the first 5 or 6 replies.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Yeah, you missed it. It's one of the first 5 or 6 replies.

Another case of not seeing the forest for the trees!!!!!!!

[canuckref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I hate to break it to you, expectations change as the levels move up. Sorry, but that is the reality here
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Peace

Jr: I have come to respect your opinion on many topics here in my reading, but I have to say i could not disagree more with you and others who do not support calling a technical foul for slamming the ball. In this case he (CDR) was clearly angry and out of control and committed an unsporting act, then looked directly at the official like he was waiting for the "t" signal. I think calling a technical in this situation would have been a huge help to the game. it would preserve the integrity of the officials involved and the rules. Instead they gave a star player a break in special circumstances (nc game). I lost much respect for the crew of that game and their judgment. I think I'll have to give your replies here a second look if I follow your rationale posted here for not calling a technical foul. Sure it would have been a madhouse if he called the t, but instead the opposing team was cheated out of a legitimate free throw opportunity.

By not calling the t we create these "spoiled" players and special rules for special times which ultimately erode the integrity, spirit and purpose of the game. It's a technical every time I see it at the varsity level. the only exception would be a player making a hard dribble and catching it, not what we saw in the cdr example.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by canuckref

Jr: I have come to respect your opinion on many topics here in my reading, but I have to say i could not disagree more with you and others who do not support calling a technical foul for slamming the ball. In this case he (CDR) was clearly angry and out of control and committed an unsporting act, then looked directly at the official like he was waiting for the "t" signal. I think calling a technical in this situation would have been a huge help to the game. it would preserve the integrity of the officials involved and the rules. Instead they gave a star player a break in special circumstances (nc game). I lost much respect for the crew of that game and their judgment. I think I'll have to give your replies here a second look if I follow your rationale posted here for not calling a technical foul. Sure it would have been a madhouse if he called the t, but instead the opposing team was cheated out of a legitimate free throw opportunity.

This is not whether you like what I have to say. You do not need to qualify your statement to disagree. But if that is the case, why did officials that have more experience than you and I combined (which would only take one of those officials BTW) not call a foul? Now you might be a good official, but if the reaction at the time was "that should not be a T" by many that were in the chat room, why did the officials that have more experience than most of us here think differently? Everything I am telling you now is the same thing we said when it was happening live.

Originally Posted by canuckref

By not calling the t we create these "spoiled" players and special rules for special times which ultimately erode the integrity, spirit and purpose of the game. It's a technical every time I see it at the varsity level. the only exception would be a player making a hard dribble and catching it, not what we saw in the cdr example.

First of all you do not see a lot of Ts in college because those players at that level know better. Coaches have total control over those players. You hardly ever see a reaction to any foul that you see in even a HS game. And if this was so bad, then there better be Ts in every HS game I have seen. I do not see Ts in every HS game when I see an even bigger reaction.

BTW, you are not just disagreeing with me. There are a lot of officials here that you are disagreeing with you on this.

Peace

[Brad]

If the officials had called a T in this situation it would have been all that the sportscasters, sportswriters, fans, coaches, and anyone else talked about all this week. And it would not have been talk *praising* the officials for making a tough call!

Instead, using sound judgment and common-sense, by NOT calling the tech in a situation that did NOT clearly warrant it, we ended up with arguably the best national championship game in the last ten years -- one of the best of all time.

Sometimes we have to take a step back from being 2 inches from the rule book to understand the game and the context in which things happen. No play happens in a vacuum.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by canuckref

In this case he (CDR) was clearly angry

Perhaps, but for what....and there is no rule about being angry.

Originally Posted by canuckref

and out of control and

Again, no rule against it.

Originally Posted by canuckref

committed an unsporting act,

debateable to be sure, but was it really.

Originally Posted by canuckref

then looked directly at the official like he was waiting for the "t" signal.

Are your sure...or did the ref get his attention to say something to him.

Originally Posted by canuckref

I think calling a technical in this situation would have been a huge help to the game. it would preserve the integrity of the officials involved and the rules.

If they had called it, it would have detracted from the game. Instead of everyone talking about how Memphis threw the game away through turnovers and missed FTs, they'd be talking only about the T and the KU championship would have an asterisk by it for being decided by a marginal T.

Originally Posted by canuckref

Instead they gave a star player a break in special circumstances (nc game). I lost much respect for the crew of that game and their judgment. I think I'll have to give your replies here a second look if I follow your rationale posted here for not calling a technical foul. Sure it would have been a madhouse if he called the t, but instead the opposing team was cheated out of a legitimate free throw opportunity.

Originally Posted by canuckref

By not calling the t we create these "spoiled" players and special rules for special times which ultimately erode the integrity, spirit and purpose of the game.

No, I wouldn't call it on any player under the same game situation....even at Varsity by a non-star player.

Originally Posted by canuckref

It's a technical every time I see it at the varsity level. the only exception would be a player making a hard dribble and catching it, not what we saw in the cdr example.

That is always "accepted" if that is the only action.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

What rule means you call the NCAA D1 final different than a NCAA D-III opening weekend game, or apply different principles to a HS JV Game...

THE only thing that changes is YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS the game... Then you are not impartial, and probably blow off contracts for JV games and make the rest of the refs in the world cover your tail.

All I was trying to say is that it establishes a precedent. Slamming the ball down and being stupified for getting a T will happen next year.

Now, I fully understand why it was not called, I just do not agree with it, and apparently I'm only allowed to have an opinion that is agreed upon by the majority of the board...I digress because I'm full of whatever, or stupid or whatever other name we can revert to calling our fellow officials...

My goodness. I know one part of this isn't correct, at least for me: I don't schedule JV games as they're too hard to turn back when I get a nonconference varsity game. Did work one this past season, though, as part of a JV/V DH.

[just another ref]

A notable part of this situation to me was that Packer made such a big deal about what a wonderful decision it was for the official not to call the T. I didn't figure anybody there ever thought for a second about making the call. Guy who slammed the ball was not even involved in the action immediately before the whistle.

[rabbit]

Ok, then don't call the T. What about a delay of game?