Throw-in spot

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Question raised in another thread:

What if the administrating official on a throw in tells the player he can run the end line when in fact it is a spot throw in. After putting the ball at the throwers disposal, he runs the end line, another official from 20 ft away calls the violation. What now?

Good question. I have an opinion, but I'll save it until I hear others.

This is not a correctable error. It's an officials mistake. There is no rule provision that I know of that allows you to go back and rectify an official's mistake. 9-2-1 is the penalty.

[just another ref]

4-42-6: The throw-in spot is..............established by the official prior to putting the ball at the thrower's disposal.


The official in this case did not designate a spot, but rather told the player he could run the end line. If there is no designated spot, there can be no violation. The administrating official gives this information to his nitwit partner, who hopefully will change his call. Either way, the partner deserves to be dragged down the top of the levee behind a Ford Courier for making this call.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

4-42-6: The throw-in spot is..............established by the official prior to putting the ball at the thrower's disposal.

Good point. I think that, what you're trying to say, is that once the official establishes the spot, let's say a "run the endline" spot, even if it's after a three second violation, it is no longer a mistake if the throwin player runs the endline.

However, I still think that in the original post, once the nonadministering official, using, in my opinion, poor mechanics, calls the violation, it's a violation, and the other team will get the ball.

Nice try. You almost won me over to your side.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

4-42-6: The throw-in spot is..............established by the official prior to putting the ball at the thrower's disposal.


The official in this case did not designate a spot, but rather told the player he could run the end line. If there is no designated spot, there can be no violation. The administrating official gives this information to his nitwit partner, who hopefully will change his call. Either way, the partner deserves to be dragged down the top of the levee behind a Ford Courier for making this call.

4-42-6 This is a good augment/opinion, in the end I believe righteous. Another stitch: What if, after a timeout, the administrating official neglects to instruct the thrower, then he/she proceeds to run the end line, would you call the violation? What if your knuckle headed partner runs over to call it from 50ft away to call it?
I think you would have to.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

4-42-6 This is a good augment/opinion, in the end I believe righteous. Another stitch: What if, after a timeout, the administrating official neglects to instruct the thrower, then he/she proceeds to run the end line, would you call the violation? What if your knuckle headed partner runs over to call it from 50ft away to call it?
I think you would have to.

I can quote nothing which backs this up, but I think it is ultimately the responsibility of the thrower to know whether it is a spot throw-in or not. If it is a spot throw-in, the official gives no instructions, and the thrower moves, you call the violation.

[Reffing Rev.]

My partner had an inadvertant whistle...POI, which by the way I meant to say was a designated spot...I hate it when my partner does that...

[Nevadaref]

Award 2 shots and the ball at the division line.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Award 2 shots and the ball at the division line.

T on the calling official? Or the one who provided erroneous information? Does any member of the crew get to take the free throws? Who administers the free throws?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

My partner had an inadvertant whistle...POI, which by the way I meant to say was a designated spot...I hate it when my partner does that...

Classic.

I've got no problem with my P blowing his whistle to alert me of something, so long as no time has come off the clock. The team that is entitled to the ball by rule, not by officials error, should get the ball, and for the proper type of throw-in as well.

I believe in getting it right. The mechanics are guidelines only. Sure, in some cases not following the mechs will get us in trouble, but this is not one of those cases.

In addition, ChrisSportRef's mention of the swipe for the Ps and camera is 100% correct.