Offensive Goaltending?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

A tall player who is positioned near the basket would have a tremendous, and unfair, advantage if he were allowed to guide errant shots into the goal.

How can a shot be errant and have a chance to go in at the same time?

[mick]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

How can a shot be errant and have a chance to go in at the same time?

Easy! Get an errant official to adjudge the errant shot.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by mick

Easy! Get an errant official to adjudge the errant shot.

You mean a poor official could judge it that way.

I agree.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

How can a shot be errant and have a chance to go in at the same time?

Well, what if the shot is clearly just a little short? A shot that would otherwise have hit the rim, and maybe bounced in, or maybe not, could fairly easily be tapped hard enough to ensure that it made it over the rim and into the basket.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Well, what if the shot is clearly just a little short?

errr... run that by us again.

If a shot is clearly short it's clearly not going in.

What's your point?

(pls forgive me if I seem less than charitable... I suffer with self-esteem issues)

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

errr... run that by us again.

If a shot is clearly short it's clearly not going in.

What's your point?

(pls forgive me if I seem less than charitable... I suffer with self-esteem issues)

Not always true. You can often tell when a jumper is going to come up a little short and probably hit the front of the ring. Shooters sometimes feel it too, and holler "short!" as soon as the shot's away. And it would be a rather significant advantage if the big guys were allowed up "adjust" the shot as it got close to the basket.

BTW, I scheduled you a visit from Dr. Phil. That should help with both the low self-esteem and the attendant little ED problem.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Not always true. You can often tell when a jumper is going to come up a little short and probably hit the front of the ring. Shooters sometimes feel it too, and holler "short!" as soon as the shot's away. And it would be a rather significant advantage if the big guys were allowed up "adjust" the shot as it got close to the basket.

That sounds like a tip or tap, if it is short.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by mick

That sounds like a tip or tap, if it is short.

Yes, it does. But I'm specifically talking about tapping the ball on its downward flight as it nears the basket, not after it's hit the ring.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Yes, it does. But I'm specifically talking about tapping the ball on its downward flight as it nears the basket, not after it's hit the ring.

Quote:

Well, what if the shot is clearly just a little short? A shot that would otherwise have hit the rim, and maybe bounced in, or maybe not, could fairly easily be tapped hard enough to ensure that it made it over the rim and into the basket.

A shot that is "clearly just a little short" and will hit the rim still has a chance to bounce around in the hands of the Hoop Gods and may not be touched.
A shot that is "clearly just a little short" but will not hit the rim may be touched.
Yer sayin' that aren't you?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Not always true. You can often tell when a jumper is going to come up a little short and probably hit the front of the ring. Shooters sometimes feel it too, and holler "short!" as soon as the shot's away. And it would be a rather significant advantage if the big guys were allowed up "adjust" the shot as it got close to the basket.

By rule, anybody is allowed to adjust a shot as long as they do it within GT & BI rules. I still have no idea what you're trying to tell us... if you think the ball will hit the front of the rim & go in then you have GT. If you think the ball will hit the front of the rim & bounce out then there's no GT. As for players yelling short... :shrug:

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

By rule, anybody is allowed to adjust a shot as long as they do it within GT & BI rules. I still have no idea what you're trying to tell us... if you think the ball will hit the front of the rim & go in then you have GT. If you think the ball will hit the front of the rim & bounce out then there's no GT. As for players yelling short... :shrug:

If I think the ball will hit the front of the rim (and the ball is above the rim) I've got GT. Even if I think it is likely that it will bounce out, its still GT because neither I nor anyone else will be able to say will complete certainly that it has absolutely zero chance of going it.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If I think the ball will hit the front of the rim (and the ball is above the rim) I've got GT. Even if I think it is likely that it will bounce out, its still GT because neither I nor anyone else will be able to say will complete certainly that it has absolutely zero chance of going it.

Interesting.

I prefer to take it a step more & judge whether the ball will hit the outside of the rim & miss or hit the inside of the rim & go in. I think I can do that, and I think you could as well.