Rule change time again

[Back In The Saddle]

As for two-handed reporting, I've only seen it done. I've not worked any leagues that do it myself. So, I'm speculating...

But I like how it appears to simplify reporting. It goes a little quicker. There seems to be less liklihood of the scorekeeper missing a digit. Though the times I've tried it (in summer ball, just for kicks), it was surprisingly more difficult to do.

But if it speeds up reporting, and makes it less error prone, I'm all over it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

As for two-handed reporting, I've only seen it done. I've not worked any leagues that do it myself. So, I'm speculating...

But I like how it appears to simplify reporting. It goes a little quicker. There seems to be less liklihood of the scorekeeper missing a digit. Though the times I've tried it (in summer ball, just for kicks), it was surprisingly more difficult to do.

But if it speeds up reporting, and makes it less error prone, I'm all over it.

How does it make it quicker? And I really do not see this as simpler either. If you want to make reporting quicker, all you have to do is get rid of the reporting area and allow officials to walk and talk, and that would solve that problem. But I can see how scorekeepers will just mistake the right hand for the left hand and mix the numbers and you will have problems.

Peace

[Mark Padgett]

I think they should bring back the peach baskets.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I think they should bring back the peach baskets.

And shirts and skins too!

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

How does it make it quicker? And I really do not see this as simpler either. If you want to make reporting quicker, all you have to do is get rid of the reporting area and allow officials to walk and talk, and that would solve that problem. But I can see how scorekeepers will just mistake the right hand for the left hand and mix the numbers and you will have problems.

Peace

Yup.........forgot about walk and talk. I know that's a no no around our area but everyone seems to be doing it.

That was also my thought on two hand reporting. On the high school and lower level games mistakes could easily be made as scorers aren't as experienced as college.

[ace]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Yup.........forgot about walk and talk. I know that's a no no around our area but everyone seems to be doing it.

That was also my thought on two hand reporting. On the high school and lower level games mistakes could easily be made as scorers aren't as experienced as college.

WHAT?! Scorekeepers don't know how to read left to right? And if you verbalize, your numbers as well, you're fine. Officials just have to show the numbers correctly, right hand 1st number left hand 2nd number, so that score kepers can read the numbers left to right. It cracks me up when I see other officials in my area use two hand reporting, but get the numbers backwards. Two handed reporting should be optional at first, until everyone can start getting it right.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by ace

WHAT?! Scorekeepers don't know how to read left to right? And if you verbalize, your numbers as well, you're fine. Officials just have to show the numbers correctly, right hand 1st number left hand 2nd number, so that score kepers can read the numbers left to right. It cracks me up when I see other officials in my area use two hand reporting, but get the numbers backwards. Two handed reporting should be optional at first, until everyone can start getting it right.

If seasoned officials are doing it wrong, how can you expect the part time mom or dad or high school scorer not to goof it up? Not to mention learning curve on changing it.

No need to change.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ace

WHAT?! Scorekeepers don't know how to read left to right? And if you verbalize, your numbers as well, you're fine. Officials just have to show the numbers correctly, right hand 1st number left hand 2nd number, so that score kepers can read the numbers left to right.

Scorekeepers screw up the possession arrow. Now you want some kid (because all scorekeepers are not responsible adults) is on the cell phone to start trying to interpret this mechanic. Remember, this is not college where everyone is paid more or has more at stake with the result.

Originally Posted by ace

It cracks me up when I see other officials in my area use two hand reporting, but get the numbers backwards.
Two handed reporting should be optional at first, until everyone can start getting it right.

This is the reason why this should not change. If officials cannot get this right, why do you want such a vital part of reporting to be change? If it was optional, I would not use it. The NBA used it because they have numbers larger than 5. There is no need for this at the HS level.

Peace

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is the reason why this should not change. If officials cannot get this right, why do you want such a vital part of reporting to be change? If it was optional, I would not use it. The NBA used it because they have numbers larger than 5. There is no need for this at the HS level.

I have always wondered - how does the NBA differentiate the number "8" from the number "53" with its two-hand reporting?

Maybe it speaks to my mental state, but it's one of the things about NBA mechanics I've always been perplexed by...

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

I have always wondered - how does the NBA differentiate the number "8" from the number "53" with its two-hand reporting?

Maybe it speaks to my mental state, but it's one of the things about NBA mechanics I've always been perplexed by...

I don't know if they still do it, since I haven't watched a National Basketball Entertainment game in a while, but here's how they used to do it: when reporting a single digit number with both hands (such as "8"), instead of their fingers pointing up, they would point each hand in toward the other so their palms would be facing their chest and their hands would be at a 90 degree angle to the floor.

I hope you were able to follow that.

[Adam]

You mean if it ain't broke, don't fix it?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by socalreff

I also think 2 hand reporting should be mandatory for duplicate digit numbers...00, 11, 22, 33, 44, 55
It would make it easier to communicate.

But then signaling 22 would look like air quotes. AAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

But then signaling 22 would look like air quotes. AAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!

Isn't this the new "over the back" signal?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Isn't this the new "over the back" signal?

No, this is:

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

But then signaling 22 would look like air quotes. AAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!

Are you sure that his guy is not "Doing The Mouse"?

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