Rule change time again

[ChuckElias]

Here are the proposals that will be considered by the rules committee:

1. Instant replay by state adoption.
2. Add definition of a "dark" jersey.
3. Adjustments to rules for hair control devices.
4. Adopting the NCAAW closely guarded rules.
5. Change team control rules to include the throw-in.
6. Add common fouls during a throw-in to the definition of team control foul.
7. Change definition of team control so that team control ends on a defensive deflection.
8. Add a new definition for "offensive fouls".
9. Eliminate the jump ball to begin overtime.
10. Eliminate the resumption of play procedure and add another delay of game warning.
11. Play halves instead of quarters.
12. Eliminate coaches' ability to request time-out during live ball.
13. Allow coaches to request a "Safety Time-Out" when player safety becomes a concern.
14. Adopt NCAA rules for FT alignment.
15. Ignore swinging of elbows violation by defense if committed during a successful try.
16. Shot clock by state adoption.
17. Adjust penalty for excessive TO; penalize only if discovered when violated.
18. Adjust penalty for illegal jerseys; one team technical maximum.
19. Technical foul for causing the ring to vibrate, regardless of whether the contact on the backboard is intentional or not.
20. Shoot the bonus on the second team foul in the last two minutes of the second half, regardless of total team fouls.

They'll also consider some signal additions.

[Adam]

1. Don't care.
2. Don't care.
3. Don't care.
4. I'm against it.
5. I like it.
6. Same as #5.
7. Something tells me the idiot who sumitted this request didn't think it through; or isn't capable of thinking it through. Must be from New Jersey.
8. Don't care.
9. Against it.
10. Against it.
11. Against it.
12. Love it.
13. This is just stupid.
14. Like it.
15. Like it.
16. Don't care.
17. Against it.
18. Like it.
19. Like it; if it affects the shot.
20. Not quite as stupid as 7 or 13, but it's running a solid third place.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

4. Adopting the NCAAW closely guarded rules.

Without a shot clock I don't like this proposal.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

20. Not quite as stupid as 7 or 13, but it's running a solid third place.

I'm not offended by #20. It's a situation that rarely happens and when it does it would be nice to not have to call four fouls in a row to get to the bonus.

I don't mind playing halves, but someone tell me why 18 minutes and not 16? To me, it's adding a mandated overtime period to every game and I guarantee that the schools will cut the same checks I signed my contracts for and they will not add an additional 12.5% to the game fee. Not that money is a huge factor to me, but the schools never "do the right thing" in this area.

I would change the timeouts to 2 60-second timeouts and 3 30-second timeouts, but nobody has ever asked me.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I don't mind playing halves, but someone tell me why 18 minutes and not 16?

Rich, changing the playing time is not part of this proposal. The 18 minute halves are unique to Minnesota, as far as I know. (I agree with you about the extra playing time, I'm against it.)

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Here are my proposed changes:

1. A coach's request for a time out may only be recognized when the ball is dead, including after a made basket.

2. Remove the now-extraneous free throw lane marks.

3. Change the illegal uniform penalty to be a single team technical the first time it occurs, like changing the book. And only in varsity games.

4. Switch from one-hand to two-hand reporting.

5. I've got a friend that coaches youth soccer. He was required this year to attend (USSF?) classes to certify as a youth coach in order to continue coaching (he was able to coach his first year on a waiver). I'd like to see HS basketball coaches be required to meet similar criteria. Classes would cover things like ethical behavior, sportsmanship, the proper role of sports in society, the real rules of the game. Coaches would be required to pass a proctored yearly rules test to keep their certification. Coaches who persistently misbehave may be stripped of their coaching credential for a year or more. Repeat offenders may be stripped for longer periods of time, including for life.

So I guess this guy is out a luck if # 4 gets approved.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Here are the proposals that will be considered by the rules committee:

1. Instant replay by state adoption. ok
2. Add definition of a "dark" jersey.are they calling it non-white?
3. Adjustments to rules for hair control devices. pre-wrap must match uniform like headbands?
4. Adopting the NCAAW closely guarded rules.don't care
5. Change team control rules to include the throw-in. might eliminate confusion but give throw-in team advantage with FTs for a hold, for example.
6. Add common fouls during a throw-in to the definition of team control foul.see above
7. Change definition of team control so that team control ends on a defensive deflection.a new 10 second count begins?
8. Add a new definition for "offensive fouls". non-issue
9. Eliminate the jump ball to begin overtime.makes sense
10. Eliminate the resumption of play procedure and add another delay of game warning. might help speed up game if they knew a T would be coming next time
11. Play halves instead of quarters.state adoption?
12. Eliminate coaches' ability to request time-out during live ball.definitely
13. Allow coaches to request a "Safety Time-Out" when player safety becomes a concern.this looks like a workaraound to the above. Most officials are pretty aware when someone is hurt.
14. Adopt NCAA rules for FT alignment.There would really need to be an emphasis on calling early entry if hs kids emulate the college action
15. Ignore swinging of elbows violation by defense if committed during a successful try.why?
16. Shot clock by state adoption.expensive item when cost cutting abounds
17. Adjust penalty for excessive TO; penalize only if discovered when violated.no
18. Adjust penalty for illegal jerseys; one team technical maximum.makes sense
19. Technical foul for causing the ring to vibrate, regardless of whether the contact on the backboard is intentional or not.ooo
20. Shoot the bonus on the second team foul in the last two minutes of the second half, regardless of total team fouls.penalizes teams playing within the rules

They'll also consider some signal additions.

see above.....

[M&M Guy]

Just FYI - here is the full "Safety Time Out" Proposal:

Any head coach may call a Safety Time Out. Both Head coaches and the Game Officials will meet in the center of the court. The Head coach will state why he/she feels that player safety is not acceptable. The opposing head coach will be asked if they agree or disagree with the claim. If both coaches agree then the officials are bound to correct their actions. Play will resume for 2 minutes of game time before a safety time out can be called again.

Rationale: I have witnessed too many basketball games that have evolved into full contact, and hardest hitter wins, contests. Most have resulted in players needing medical treatment. The state office has failed to address the issue over several years. I have asked many officials why this is happening; the usual response is that if they called all the fouls they saw then the games would take too long. It is interpreted that this willful disregard for the established rules is a provable case of Felony Child Abuse. I would like the national level rules committee to attempt to address this issue with a new rule.

[Adam]

So the coach could call a "safety timeout" in order to have a b!tch session at half court?

Dumbest idea ever.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So the coach could call a "safety timeout" in order to have a b!tch session at half court?

Dumbest idea ever.

Hmm...dumbest idea ever?

What about screen doors for submarines?

Invading Iraq?

Braile menus in drive-thru's?

It does rank up there, though.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Hmm...dumbest idea ever?

What about screen doors for submarines?

Invading Iraq?

Braile menus in drive-thru's?

Making Kerry Wood your closer?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Hmm...dumbest idea ever?

What about screen doors for submarines?

InvadingPulling out of Iraq?

Braile menus in drive-thru's?

It does rank up there, though.

I fixed it for you.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Making Kerry Wood your closer?

Talk to me about that a month from now.

If he's not on the DL.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I fixed it for you.

Ok, I can live with the correction.

(I probably could've left out the serious topic in that list, right?)

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Brad

1) Move players up on the free throw lane like the college rule -- this has cleaned up rebounding fouls big time.

2) Change the team control foul rule to incorporate the throw-in as well.

3) Change a technical foul to be POI instead of losing possession as well.

I agree with that one as well.