Rule change time again

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

4. Adopting the NCAAW closely guarded rules.

Without a shot clock I don't like this proposal.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Here are the proposals that will be considered by the rules committee:

1. Instant replay by state adoption. ok
2. Add definition of a "dark" jersey.are they calling it non-white?
3. Adjustments to rules for hair control devices. pre-wrap must match uniform like headbands?
4. Adopting the NCAAW closely guarded rules.don't care
5. Change team control rules to include the throw-in. might eliminate confusion but give throw-in team advantage with FTs for a hold, for example.
6. Add common fouls during a throw-in to the definition of team control foul.see above
7. Change definition of team control so that team control ends on a defensive deflection.a new 10 second count begins?
8. Add a new definition for "offensive fouls". non-issue
9. Eliminate the jump ball to begin overtime.makes sense
10. Eliminate the resumption of play procedure and add another delay of game warning. might help speed up game if they knew a T would be coming next time
11. Play halves instead of quarters.state adoption?
12. Eliminate coaches' ability to request time-out during live ball.definitely
13. Allow coaches to request a "Safety Time-Out" when player safety becomes a concern.this looks like a workaraound to the above. Most officials are pretty aware when someone is hurt.
14. Adopt NCAA rules for FT alignment.There would really need to be an emphasis on calling early entry if hs kids emulate the college action
15. Ignore swinging of elbows violation by defense if committed during a successful try.why?
16. Shot clock by state adoption.expensive item when cost cutting abounds
17. Adjust penalty for excessive TO; penalize only if discovered when violated.no
18. Adjust penalty for illegal jerseys; one team technical maximum.makes sense
19. Technical foul for causing the ring to vibrate, regardless of whether the contact on the backboard is intentional or not.ooo
20. Shoot the bonus on the second team foul in the last two minutes of the second half, regardless of total team fouls.penalizes teams playing within the rules

They'll also consider some signal additions.

see above.....

[M&M Guy]

Just FYI - here is the full "Safety Time Out" Proposal:

Any head coach may call a Safety Time Out. Both Head coaches and the Game Officials will meet in the center of the court. The Head coach will state why he/she feels that player safety is not acceptable. The opposing head coach will be asked if they agree or disagree with the claim. If both coaches agree then the officials are bound to correct their actions. Play will resume for 2 minutes of game time before a safety time out can be called again.

Rationale: I have witnessed too many basketball games that have evolved into full contact, and hardest hitter wins, contests. Most have resulted in players needing medical treatment. The state office has failed to address the issue over several years. I have asked many officials why this is happening; the usual response is that if they called all the fouls they saw then the games would take too long. It is interpreted that this willful disregard for the established rules is a provable case of Felony Child Abuse. I would like the national level rules committee to attempt to address this issue with a new rule.

[Adam]

So the coach could call a "safety timeout" in order to have a b!tch session at half court?

Dumbest idea ever.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So the coach could call a "safety timeout" in order to have a b!tch session at half court?

Dumbest idea ever.

Hmm...dumbest idea ever?

What about screen doors for submarines?

Invading Iraq?

Braile menus in drive-thru's?

It does rank up there, though.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Just FYI - here is the full "Safety Time Out" Proposal:

Any head coach may call a Safety Time Out. Both Head coaches and the Game Officials will meet in the center of the court. The Head coach will state why he/she feels that player safety is not acceptable. The opposing head coach will be asked if they agree or disagree with the claim. If both coaches agree then the officials are bound to correct their actions. Play will resume for 2 minutes of game time before a safety time out can be called again.

Rationale: I have witnessed too many basketball games that have evolved into full contact, and hardest hitter wins, contests. Most have resulted in players needing medical treatment. The state office has failed to address the issue over several years. I have asked many officials why this is happening; the usual response is that if they called all the fouls they saw then the games would take too long. It is interpreted that this willful disregard for the established rules is a provable case of Felony Child Abuse. I would like the national level rules committee to attempt to address this issue with a new rule.

That one will be ignored (and laughed at in the background).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

That one will be ignored (and laughed at in the background).

Considering that many of the people that are usually on the board are not officials, do not be so sure about that one.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Just FYI - here is the full "Safety Time Out" Proposal:

Any head coach may call a Safety Time Out. Both Head coaches and the Game Officials will meet in the center of the court. The Head coach will state why he/she feels that player safety is not acceptable. The opposing head coach will be asked if they agree or disagree with the claim. If both coaches agree then the officials are bound to correct their actions. Play will resume for 2 minutes of game time before a safety time out can be called again.

Rationale: I have witnessed too many basketball games that have evolved into full contact, and hardest hitter wins, contests. Most have resulted in players needing medical treatment. The state office has failed to address the issue over several years. I have asked many officials why this is happening; the usual response is that if they called all the fouls they saw then the games would take too long. It is interpreted that this willful disregard for the established rules is a provable case of Felony Child Abuse. I would like the national level rules committee to attempt to address this issue with a new rule.

How did this one actually make it to the list that the committee has to consider?
If both coaches don't like the job that the officials are doing, then the officials should leave and the coaches should officiate the remainder of the contest. Good luck.
Clearly this submission was not made by an official.

[Welpe]

Just FYI - here is the full "Safety Time Out" Proposal:

Any head coach may call a Safety Time Out. Both Head coaches and the Game Officials will meet in the center of the court. The Head coach will state why he/she feels that player safety is not acceptable. The opposing head coach will be asked if they agree or disagree with the claim. If both coaches agree then the officials are bound to correct their actions. Play will resume for 2 minutes of game time before a safety time out can be called again.

I love the part in red. Let's make officiating basketball games a democratic affair.

"Ref, we both agree, you are not calling this game properly. Call more fouls or you don't get paid. Oh but only call them on the other team." Oh Lordy....

Maybe they can consider an "Ask the Audience" rule next year.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Any head coach may call a Safety Time Out. Both Head coaches and the Game Officials will meet in the center of the court. The Head coach will state why he/she feels that player safety is not acceptable. The opposing head coach will be asked if they agree or disagree with the claim. If both coaches agree then the officials are bound to correct their actions. What if one coach disagrees?

Rationale: I have witnessed too many basketball games that have evolved into full contact, and hardest hitter wins, contests. Most have resulted in players needing medical treatment. I haven't reffed for nearly as long as most of you I'm sure, but I've seen enough games and NEVER witnessed this. Hardest hitter wins? C'mon.

JMO

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Here are the proposals that will be considered by the rules committee:

1. Instant replay by state adoption.--OK
2. Add definition of a "dark" jersey.--Not necessary
3. Adjustments to rules for hair control devices.--Why?
4. Adopting the NCAAW closely guarded rules.--Stupid with no shot clock and current back court rules.
5. Change team control rules to include the throw-in.--Yes
6. Add common fouls during a throw-in to the definition of team control foul.--Yes
7. Change definition of team control so that team control ends on a defensive deflection.--Maybe
8. Add a new definition for "offensive fouls".--Why?
9. Eliminate the jump ball to begin overtime.--No
10. Eliminate the resumption of play procedure and add another delay of game warning.--I agree
11. Play halves instead of quarters.--Yes
12. Eliminate coaches' ability to request time-out during live ball.--Yes
13. Allow coaches to request a "Safety Time-Out" when player safety becomes a concern.--No
14. Adopt NCAA rules for FT alignment.--I would not like this unless they add the release as the end of restrictions on FTs
15. Ignore swinging of elbows violation by defense if committed during a successful try.--No problem, but not nessessary.
16. Shot clock by state adoption.--No problem with this
17. Adjust penalty for excessive TO; penalize only if discovered when violated.--Yes
18. Adjust penalty for illegal jerseys; one team technical maximum.--Yes
19. Technical foul for causing the ring to vibrate, regardless of whether the contact on the backboard is intentional or not.--No
20. Shoot the bonus on the second team foul in the last two minutes of the second half, regardless of total team fouls.--No

They'll also consider some signal additions.--Always

Peace

[rainmaker]

1. Instant replay by state adoption.

Absolutely no way.

2. Add definition of a "dark" jersey.
3. Adjustments to rules for hair control devices.

Don't care.

4. Adopting the NCAAW closely guarded rules.
5. Change team control rules to include the throw-in.
6. Add common fouls during a throw-in to the definition of team control foul.

Yes

7. Change definition of team control so that team control ends on a defensive deflection.

Yes

8. Add a new definition for "offensive fouls".

don't care.

9. Eliminate the jump ball to begin overtime
10. Eliminate the resumption of play procedure and add another delay of game warning.
11. Play halves instead of quarters.
12. Eliminate coaches' ability to request time-out during live ball.

Absolutely!

13. Allow coaches to request a "Safety Time-Out" when player safety becomes a concern.

Is Jim right when he talks about a Safety Time-Out? If he is, I'm completely against it. but I'm assuming he's just joking. SO what is a Safety Time-Out?

14. Adopt NCAA rules for FT alignment.

Don't care

15. Ignore swinging of elbows violation by defense if committed during a successful try.

No.

16. Shot clock by state adoption.

Yes.

17. Adjust penalty for excessive TO; penalize only if discovered when violated.

Why?

18. Adjust penalty for illegal jerseys; one team technical maximum.
19. Technical foul for causing the ring to vibrate, regardless of whether the contact on the backboard is intentional or not.

Don't care.

20. Shoot the bonus on the second team foul in the last two minutes of the second half, regardless of total team fouls.

No.

[tmp44]

For those of you who want to get rid of the jumpball to start overtime...why? Is it just because that's not how we start every other quarter?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by tmp44

For those of you who want to get rid of the jumpball to start overtime...why? Is it just because that's not how we start every other quarter?

HUH? Did they change the rule on how to start the first quarter while I was taking one of my daily naps?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

HUH? Did they change the rule on how to start the first quarter while I was taking one of my daily naps?

Next year, starting the game with a coin toss will be proposed. But who will we toss the coin toward?