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Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 18, 2008 04:13pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
That post seemed a little long-winded.

I get it.

Little Breezy.......long winded....blew by my point

That was supposed to have been one of them joke thingys, right?

M&M Guy Tue Mar 18, 2008 04:18pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
I get it.

Little Breezy.......long winded....blew by my point

That was supposed to have been one of them joke thingys, right?

Wow, you got it!

I guess thin-skinned people are less likely to get jokes.

Or, maybe it just went over his head.

rockyroad Tue Mar 18, 2008 04:32pm

Word.

Raymond Tue Mar 18, 2008 05:49pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
socal didn't make that observation. He's likely one of the veteran officials lpbreeze was referring to who agreed with him that the game was poorly officiated.

My bad...it was SMEngmann.

Adam Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:26pm

Gee, I didn't see that coming. :(

SMEngmann Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:38pm

I'll chime and and respond by saying that I didn't particularly think that the officials did a great job on that game, but I'll also back up my point that the game appeared extremely tough to officiate given the caliber of players, the stage and the potential for problems. 3 Ts and an intentional which I thought could easily have been a flagrant illustrates this point, as does the really chippy play at the end of the game. There was an elbow on a free throw with 10 seconds left for no reason, even with all the foul calls, it was physical away from the ball in the 4th, so I think the refs had the right idea to call a tight game, but they got so caught up in doing so that they ended up calling a number of marginal plays or plays that didn't exist. Their lack of familiarity with the teams also contributed as it put star players in foul trouble early. My bottom line is that with the way that game went, with MD getting up early and controlling the pace, I don't think any refs could have come out of that looking particularly good given the personalities and styles involved.

I agree with SoCal that it would've been better to have an established crew familiar with each other on this game. I also dispute the notion that just because someone is on a state final game that "they've arrived," rather, it's more like they've gotta prove they belong, and I think that's where these crews can appear like camp crews. Maybe another solution is to take one ref who works a Mitty during the season, one who works Mater-Dei and then a third neutral ref. I will leave that up to the powers that be.

Adam Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:01pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
When someone is a repeat offender, they haven't learned a damn thing and they never will. T'hell with him. We don't need clowns like him sullying up our avocation.

If he wants to dump on his fellow officials, then he's got absolutely no complaint when one of his fellow officials dumps on him.

All I have to add is:
http://WWW.picturepush.com/public/481560

lpbreeze Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:51am

That sounds like a good idea SME. The officials seemed like it was the first time they saw those guys play and had no idea about the div 1 post players. Maybe someone who did one or two of their games and isn't too familiar with them to be accused of being biased. And then have a third ref from Santa Barbara. - because no good team ever comes from there ;)

--off topic but was it me or did Mater Dei have about 50 players on their team. maybe not that many. They made their own mosh pit at the end. All 4 teams finish in the top 15 in USA today natl. rankings. nice go Cali. but really who can say for sure. biased for east and west coast.

Jurassic Referee Wed Mar 19, 2008 04:19am

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Originally Posted by SMEngmann
Their lack of familiarity with the teams also contributed as it put star players in foul trouble early.

Please tell me that you weren't serious when you wrote that.

If so, your credibility as an evaluator just breezed right out the window also.

just another ref Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:26am

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Originally Posted by SMEngmann
Their lack of familiarity with the teams also contributed as it put star players in foul trouble early.




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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Please tell me that you weren't serious when you wrote that.

If so, your credibility as an evaluator just breezed right out the window also.

More of that "college and above" mentality?

rockyroad Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:38am

So basically some of our California brethren here are saying that the refs should have known who the future D-I players in that game were, and called the game differently for those particular players - that way the game would have been great!!

What a load of crap!

lpbreeze Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:58am

nope. later----ncaa time!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

just another ref Wed Mar 19, 2008 01:07pm

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Originally Posted by socalreff
Not all of us!!! Don't lump me in with the star treatment crowd.
All I said was that the officiating was poor in that game mainly because of a failure to properly assess the principle of verticality.

Read somewhere that the star's verticality is wider than that of the 10th guy off the bench. That may be an Illinois thing, not sure.

JRutledge Wed Mar 19, 2008 02:16pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref
Read somewhere that the star's verticality is wider than that of the 10th guy off the bench. That may be an Illinois thing, not sure.

I think that is a result of a condition. You know the condition of not being capable to understand concepts beyond your level of understanding. :D

Peace

Jurassic Referee Wed Mar 19, 2008 04:07pm

I just finished watching a replay of the game being discussed--Mater Dei/Mitty-- on PRIME channel. Officiating was <b>not</b> a factor.

Having a dish comes in handy sometime. This whole thread was a complete waste of time imo, which is not surprising seeing who started it. File it under "fanboy" and fuggedaboutit.


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