I blew the call....

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

As for the second T, the coach deserved it. But... Might the discretion you exercised have actually been the right answer? Would the T have served any useful purpose? Would it have made the game better? Would it have gotten the coach under control? Would it have affected the outcome? Would it have righted some wrong? Or, in the last game of the season, that's already been decided, and with less than three seconds on the clock, would it have only made an emotional situation more emotional? What if the coach really went off at you after getting the T? Are you prepared to toss him? With three seconds left? What if he refused to leave, then what? Forfeit the game? I just can't see any possible positive outcome from dropping a T on this idiot at this point in this game.

From me: "I might even go as far as a flagrant technical foul. Because it's flagrant, maybe some type of league rule would have some administrator look into this, or perhaps even make him, or her, sit out a game next season."

Plus, a technical foul at this point in the game, or at any point in the game, will send the coach the message that "You cost us the championship. You'll never work one of my games again" is totally unacceptable behavior, which might help the next official that has the unfortunate experience to officiate this coach's next game, even if it's next year. It also sends a a message to all the players, and the fans, that conduct like this is unacceptable.

"Might the discretion you exercised have actually been the right answer?" Maybe.
"Would the T have served any useful purpose?" Yes, see above.
"Would it have gotten the coach under control?" No, but he wouldn't be in the gym any longer.
"Would it have affected the outcome?" Absolutely not.
"Would it have righted some wrong?" Yes, see above.
"Would it have only made an emotional situation more emotional?" Yes, but he would be emotional, After twenty-seven years, I'm pretty good at controlling my emotions.
"What if the coach really went off at you after getting the T?" My technical would probably have been flagrant. If it weren't, he would have gotten a second direct one and been tossed, hopefully by my partner.
"Are you prepared to toss him?" Yes, probably with the first technical being flagrant.
"With three seconds left?" Yes, three seconds, thirty one minutes, anytime. "You cost us the championship. You'll never work one of my games again" is totally unacceptable behavior, anytime.
"What if he refused to leave, then what?" Easy. Pick a fair time for him to speak to his assistant, let's say thirty seconds. Have the timekeeper put that time on the clock. You, or your partner tell the coach he has thirty seconds to vacate the gym or he will forfeit the game.
"Forfeit the game?" See above question, no problem.
"I just can't see any possible positive outcome from dropping a T on this idiot at this point in this game" I can, see above.

I consider this "T-Worthy". At any time. Period. And I haven't issued a technical foul to a coach this whole 60plus game season. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[Back In The Saddle]

No question that the coach's behavior is unacceptable. And I'm not talking about the official's emotions. I'm talking about the kids, who are there to play the league championship game. I'm talking about the parents, who are there to watch little Johnny play the game. Remember, this was a 6th grade league. This moment is supposed to be about the kids, not about some OOO's need to send a message.

The game is better served, IMHO, by keeping the T in the pocket. Have a chat with the league administrator if you're concerned about the coach's behavior. Then go home, kick back on the sofa, and watch the game in your 72" HD tv.

[ranjo]

T or no T I won't comment on. We all have our own tolerance level and all types of considerations to take into account at any given level of play.

The point I want to make is:

YOU DID NOT CAUSE THE COACH OR HIS TEAM TO WIN OR LOSE THE GAME BECAUSE OF ONE MISSED TRAVEL!!!

The game is won or loss during the whole game while we are constantly making judgement calls about what to penalize and what to let go. As officials, we don't travel, double dribble, palm the ball, make substitutions, set the type of defense, take dumb shots,throw the ball away, miss shots or free throws, (you add on from here). Everybody remembers that last shot or whatever that happens at the end of a close game, but that's not what wins or loses games.

As soon as I got that in my head, I was able to relax more and make better judgements at the end of a close one.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

2.4 seconds left white scores. Blue coach is screaming at me how I cost him the championship.

2.4? Nah.

Get in, get done, get out.

[Damian]

Happened yesterday. 6th grade championship game. White has two point lead with less then 30 seconds and bringing the ball up court. Coach is screaming to foul. Dribbler makes good move in back court, gets around defense and is going up court. Defense is chasing him to foul with arm extended all the way out reaching for his back. Finally catches him and pushes in back. Of course I called intentional foul. Coach is like "you got to be kidding". White makes both free throws, gets the ball, gets fouled again, makes the next two (now up by 6). Game is basically over.

After game assistant coach is yapping how I took the game away from the kids. My thought is what about the other kids. You know the ones that were playing better basketball and were winning, beating the defense, and making free throws. I didn't talk to any of the coaches though. Just thought about it to myself.

[BillyMac]

Push from behind with no apparent play on the ball? From your description, it sounds, most likely, intentional to me.

You could probably add jersey grab and bear hug, to push from behind, as fouls that are most likely intentional, especially, but not limited to, fouls near the end of the game, intended to stop the clock.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

rewind to about a minute left... both coaches are sceaming about how we aren't calling enough. I do somthing.. not in the book. I go up to both of them and say coaches... I'll talk about calls but dont scream at me. Now.. I should have T'd them up right there, but it was a tight game for the championship and I figured.. I'd warn them.

Too late for a warning. You have played the entire game and I suspect that they didn't just start screaming at you that minute.

At this point either ignore it (especially if you have been allowing it all game) or give a technical.

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

"You cost us the championship... you'll never work one of my games again" 2.4 seconds left.. I should have T'd him and I let it go.... i'm not sure why..

I'd probably avoid the technical with just 2.4 left too unless it was something that just couldn't be ignored.

This coach needs a good lesson in perspective because he has none.