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I'm more than open to being convinced, but I haven't been yet. I simply don't see not penalizing A when the rule does not explicitly state "during a live ball". |
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If they'd wanted a mandatory "T", they would have used the language "Penalized when discovered", as they do in other rules. |
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Agreed, if that was the case, we'd have a T on just about every substitution. |
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Again, I'm waiting for the definition of "participating." It's what this whole discussion revolves around. |
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It uses the exact same language as 6 players participating does. You have to discover it while the player is participating, exactly like it says in both 10-1-6 and 10-3-1. If you didn't discover it while the player was participating, it's too late when the ball becomes dead and the player is no longer participating. |
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I told you what the rule is and I gave you the accompanying rules citations. If you don't want to believe that's how the concept of "penalized if discovered while being violated" is interpreted and applied.....versus "penalized when discovered", I suggest you ask your local or state rules interpreter for their interpretation. Let us know when you get your answer. |
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I'm sorry you think my legitimate question (how does the NFHS define "participate"?) is a linguistic game. It was the one question I asked consistently and the only question that matters. Quote:
I know you said you're done, but if you can cite that the players on the court cease to "participate" at every dead ball, I'll be in complete agreement with you. I always respect your positions on rulings, but in attempting to have as complete rules knowledge as possible, I'm simply looking for a definition of what "participating" means. |
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Seems most disagree with that, though, so I'll stop until I hear something more from the state. Good thing I don't have any more games this year - certainly after this discussion this situation was bound to happen in my next game! |
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10.1.6 b ...
10.1.6 Situation: With Team A leading 51 to 50, a held ball is called. A6 properly reports and enters the game. Time is then called by Team A. The clock shows two seconds remaining in the game. After play is resumed by a throw-in, the officials: (a) recognize that A has six players competing, but cannot get the clock stopped; or (b) do not notice Team A has six players on the court. Following the throw-in, time expires. Team B now reports to the officials that Team A had six players on the court.
Ruling: In (a), since one of the officials had knowledge that Team A had six players participating simultaneously and this was detected prior to time expiring, a technical foul is assessed against Team A. In (b), since it was not recognized by either official, but was called to their attention after time had expired, it is too late to assess any penalty. |
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