help with a Tech call from Refs NFHS rules

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by gmund1948

In storage, or misplaced, I have some guidelines for giving Technicals that was passed to me during training.

Technical Fouls

Top Reasons To Not Give A Technical Foul
• You can address a coach before it becomes a problem. A quiet word can go a long way in preventing a technical foul.
• When coaches complain, ask yourself, is the call questionable, is the call wrong. If they have a legitimate gripe, then allow them some latitude. Be courteous. Do not argue. Be firm and fair
• If you know a coach is upset then move away from him or her, even if it means that you and your partner are not switching or rotating properly.
• Warnings can be very effective in preventing situations from escalating. Don't tolerate a lot before a warning.
• Lend a resonable ear. Coaches like to be heard. If you ignore them then they become more frustrated and are more likely to lose control.
• If an assistant is out of line, then you can speak to the head coach and ask them to help you out.
• If a player is out of line then let the coach know. Tell them you've warned their player. That way if you do give a technical foul, then the coach isn't surprised. Most good coaches will speak to the player first.
• If you have had a rough day and know your fuse is short, keep that in mind before you do anything rash. Ask yourself, does the situation come under one of the top reasons to give a technical foul.
• If necessary, give an initial strong warning. Let your partner know about the warning.

Top Reasons To Give A Technical Foul
There are many different factors to consider when deciding to give a technical foul. Generally, there are three areas of coach's behavior that need attention: when a coach makes it personal, when a coach
draws attention to himself or herself, and when a coach's complaints are persistent. Some technical fouls are easy. They are black and white situations that leave little room for negotiation:
• Using profanity or language that is abusive, vulgar, or obscene.
• A coach questions your integrity.
• Inciting an undesirable crowd reaction.
• A coach is embarrassing an official.
• A coach or player has been warned and has not heeded the warning.
• Leaving the confines of the coaching box and complaining.
• A coach demonstrates displeasure with your partner and their back is turned.
Other technical fouls are not as black and white. In some situations, a warning may be appropriate before the technical foul is given:
• A coach or player continually demonstrates signals or asks for calls.
• If they have interfered with the game or your concentration, then they have usually gone too far.
• If giving a technical will help give structure back to the game and if it will have a calming effect on things.

Top Ways To Give A Technical Foul
• Calling a technical foul should be no different then calling any other foul. It is simply a rule that requires a penalty. Maintain a calm attitude, have poise and presence. Don’t personalize it. Don't embarrass the coach by being demonstrative.
• Take your time. Don’t over react. Always sound the whistle and stop the clock with a foul signal. Signal the technical foul. Take a deep breath to calm yourself. Proceed to the reporting area, report the technical foul clearly to the table, and leave the area. Never look at a coach when you give a technical foul.
• Confer with your partner. If the technical foul is charged to the head coach or bench personnel, have your partner inform the coach of the loss of the coaching box.
• Explanations, it needed should be done by partner. Always explain technical fouls on players to coaches.
• Proceed with the administration of the penalty. After technical fouls, put the ball in play immediately. Because a coach has been penalized with a technical foul does not mean that the coach is allowed rebuttal time.
• Make them earn the second technical foul. Don't be reluctant to give the second technical foul if it is warranted.
• Do not discuss a technical foul or an ejection of a player or coach beyond the confines of the gymnasium. Doing so is very unethical. The penalty is enough.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by gmund1948

BTW I miss Oregon

You were Miss Oregon! What year?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

You were Miss Oregon! What year?

Miss Oregon 2007



She reminds me of Sarah Cahlke, who plays Dr. Elliot Reid on "Scrubs".

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Miss Oregon 2007

Except they spelled Juulie's name wrong!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

Except they spelled Juulie's name wrong!

Good one. I bet Mark Padgett wished he had come up with that one.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by gmund1948

Thanks for all your responses, I know the pressure with the family dynamics
and influences to win. I have never had to ask for work. The officials lack of
communication with the coaches. most T's require some thought as to the reason they are called, many are black and white. In this case I was
amazed as to the lack of warning and the mild "complaining" that resulted in a T to the bench, then the coach, I have seen the gamut of relatively bizzare games, calls, fans and fools. this was so mild !

I can say this, I know a lot of refs who would have made this call without warning. Assistant coaches are to coach. Rule 10 prohibits any attempt to influence an official's decision. Most officials give quite a bit of leeway to a head coach. Most also do not accept any crap from an assistant. Even further, a lot of officials have absolutely zero tolerance below the high school varsity level. Assistant coaches speak up at their own risk.

Originally Posted by gmund1948

Thanks for your time, I was asking for a clarification, not a frying or a
lecture.

This was mild. BTW, it looks like the only part of the post that you needed clarification was whether or not an assistant coach should be tossed after just on technical foul. The answer is no, unless it was flagrant.

Originally Posted by gmund1948

If any of you have coached and officiated, when the officials are unapproachable, (or the coaches arrogant) then it makes coaching
difficult.

Question. How does being able to approach an official make coaching easier? Coach the kids, don't worry about coaching the refs.

Originally Posted by gmund1948

In storage, or misplaced, I have some guidelines for giving Technicals that was passed to me during training.

I've readh these "guidelines" a hundred times, and it doesn't get any more authoritative. They're guidelines, and they work for some and not for others. They're definitely nothing to get all hung up over.

Originally Posted by gmund1948

The oficials I respected most used these guidelines and were not afraid to reverse a blown call.

What call did they blow? Looks to me like they blew two things.
1. They shouldn't have ejected an assistant for 1 technical foul.
2. If they did eject that assistant, they should have ensured he left the gym rather than go to stands.

Curious, what level of ball is this that they call in someone to be an assistant in a championship game?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Miss Oregon 2007


She reminds me of Sarah Cahlke, who plays Dr. Elliot Reid on "Scrubs".

The girl who played Roseanne's oldest daughter for a while?

[gmund1948]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I can say this, I know a lot of refs who would have made this call without warning. Assistant coaches are to coach. Rule 10 prohibits any attempt to influence an official's decision. Most officials give quite a bit of leeway to a head coach. Most also do not accept any crap from an assistant. Even further, a lot of officials have absolutely zero tolerance below the high school varsity level. Assistant coaches speak up at their own risk.
This was mild. BTW, it looks like the only part of the post that you needed clarification was whether or not an assistant coach should be tossed after just on technical foul. The answer is no, unless it was flagrant.

Question. How does being able to approach an official make coaching easier? Coach the kids, don't worry about coaching the refs.
I've readh these "guidelines" a hundred times, and it doesn't get any more authoritative. They're guidelines, and they work for some and not for others. They're definitely nothing to get all hung up over.

What call did they blow? Looks to me like they blew two things.
1. They shouldn't have ejected an assistant for 1 technical foul.
2. If they did eject that assistant, they should have ensured he left the gym rather than go to stands.

Curious, what level of ball is this that they call in someone to be an assistant in a championship game?

Level: High School : Reason Head coach had a cardiac event
rationale: I worked practice all season and helped design the offensive sets
The Assistant (JV) coach has only two years and is primarily a Tennis specialist

To answer your questions, How does being able to approach an official make coaching easier?

The ability of a coach to calmly discuss a situation with an official (and have the official listen) , enables understanding that eventually gets modeled to the players who in turn will take this attitude forward. Fostering an untouchable persona will rarely showcase your talents as an officail

When it comes to knowing tournament directors, (yes they have a say) or helping decide who moves up to cover more coveted spots well respected coaches and ADs often are asked for direct imput on who should or should not work a tournament.

I am not sorry about posting here, I have gotten over it, now as I am asked to take the recently vacated HC position I can politic for a crew not to work our games.

Oh never made it to Miss Oregon got disqualified for having Balls
I know thats rare in some areas

I don't worry about coaching the Refs, its when you are thrown into a
situation where a mostly substitute coaching staff must deal with what
a very bad situation.

As for the appeal, thats likely a waste, but the team received at at large bid so some things do work out. It is interesting as the tournament director will
in a gentlemans aggreement, not have two of the three referees in the
regional tournament.

To who posted the rules to giving a Technical, thanks ! the person who wrote them had great insight. Its nice to have a copy again

My years as an educator have proven over and over that the best interest
of the kids is the best policy, after all we are all someone's kid.

I understand you all may need a forum to vent, and maybe I ended in the
wrong place, accepted.

I wont let the door hit me in the on the way but I will stop in from time to time

[Adam]

If you're still around, please tell me what parts of my post came across as sarcastic. I'm curious, as all my questions were serious ones.

As for my coaching the refs comment, that comes from a little bit of experience. Some coaches want clarification, and others want to try to "work" me for a call down the road. I was looking for clarification of what you meant, since both groups tend to get upset when the refs aren't "approachable."

FWIW, an assistant coach making a snyde comment such as "how do we get a charge" is not the kind of thing that will foster good communication between the officials and the coaches. Would I give a warning for this? Most likely. Is a warning required? No.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by gmund1948

The ability of a coach to calmly discuss a situation with an official (and have the official listen) , enables understanding that eventually gets modeled to the players who in turn will take this attitude forward. Fostering an untouchable persona will rarely showcase your talents as an officail

You're making a huge assumption here. Most times I am not approached or asked a question a respectful or calm manner. Most times coaches expect to be shown a level of deference and respect that they themselves don't afford to officials.