Mass High School Tourney problems

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And that is a credible source? Of course the coach thinks their time out came earlier, but it did not according to the officials. She should have prepared her players to call timeout because that is likely where their focus was.

Coaches have just been too dumb to realize that this rule is not required, it is an option. Coaches are the only ones to complain when the rule does not benefit them.

Peace

What source? It's the coach stating her opinion, acknowleging the officials saw it differently, and then accepting the consequences. They are more quotes from this coach concerning her players' future endeavors then there are concerning the play itself.

Why is the coach dumb just b/c her opinion of a play is different?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What source? It's the coach stating her opinion, acknowleging the officials saw it differently, and then accepting the consequences. They are more quotes from this coach concerning her players' future endeavors then there are concerning the play itself.

Did they ask the official what they saw? Do we have a quote as to why things turned out the way they did? Of course we do not. So taking only the coach's word on this is not the best thing to do if you want a real explanation.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Why is the coach dumb just b/c her opinion of a play is different?

Requesting a timeout for the coaches is not the only request that can be made. Players can make the same request. Officials are focused on players, not coaches. And when you have to take the focus of the officials off the players, you tend to cause problems like this where the clock might not be observed properly or a timeout is not granted in the right amount of time. That is why she is dumb along with every other coach that has stopped using their basic common sense because the rules give them an option.

Peace

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is why she is dumb along with every other coach that has stopped using their basic common sense because the rules give them an option.

So she's dumb for following the rules?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

So she's dumb for following the rules?

How did that work out for her?

Peace

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

How did that work out for her?

Look, I don't know the coach personally, and due to geographical differences I'll probably never officiate 1 of her games. Yes she made a dumb choice (in hindsight), but to call her dumb is a personal insult. That's my only point.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

Look, I don't know the coach personally, and due to geographical differences I'll probably never officiate 1 of her games. Yes she made a dumb choice (in hindsight), but to call her dumb is a personal insult. That's my only point.

I do recall that I called "coaches" dumb for limiting how timeouts are called based on this rule. If that bothers you then that is your problem, because I would say the same thing to her face and to a room full of coaches. The rule does not require only coaches to request a timeout, the rules does allow players to make the same request. It is stupid when you know officials are not looking at you the same why they are with the player.

Peace

[BayStateRef]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xsTm2nESj4

The quality is not perfect, and if you can look past the bias and fact errors, you can see this:

Black has the ball with 13.9 seconds to go, up by one point.
Time out is called and black has throw-in on end line.
White steals the ball.
Much scrambling.
Whistle (for time out) & 3-point shot attempt at roughly the same time.
There are about 3.5 seconds on the clock when the shot is attempted.
Clock runs down to 0.3 seconds while shot is in the air.

Three-person crew. Trail is right next to home bench and grants the time out. Scoreboard is on wall to the left of the basket, on C's side.

So....if this is your game:

Did the crew handle it properly?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

Did the crew handle it properly?

Yup.

The time-out was granted while the calling team had player control. That's correct as per rule 5-8-3(a). The ball is now dead as per rule 6-7-5, which also means that you can't count the basket under rule 5-1-1. The timer screwed up. However, you can't correct the timing mistake though unless you have definite knowledge, as per rule 5-10.

The crew did everything right imo.

Right isn't always fair.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The crew did everything right imo.

Right isn't always fair.

I agree - other than the expectation that the crew immediately look to the clock in a situation like this. They didn't, so everything after that was handled correctly.

Unfortunately, it could have been handled "more correctly" if the official granting the TO had looked immediately to the clock as he was granting it.

Getting that right would have taken this crew from "correct" to "super-correct"...

[Adam]

really? What if the gym was so noisy the other officials didn't hear the whistle?