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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 10:41am
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R passes to U1 or U2

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It is my understanding that the "R" in a 3-person game
can pass the toss to start the contest to either U1 or U2.
In a game last night I saw the designated "R" pass the
captains meeting, toss, start of each period, all other responsibilities
to the U1... thoughts or somewhere I can reas this!
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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 10:44am
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NFS rules
It is my understanding that the "R" in a 3-person game
can pass the toss to start the contest to either U1 or U2.
In a game last night I saw the designated "R" pass the
captains meeting, toss, start of each period, all other responsibilities
to the U1... thoughts or somewhere I can reas this!
How did you determine he was the designated "R"?
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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 10:47am
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He was the designated "R" according to the
listing from our state..
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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 11:05am
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How did you determine he was the designated "R"?
A lot of people work games where this is designated by the assignor.

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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 11:11am
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In your scenario, it sounds as if the R as assigned by the association actually ceded his position as R. I don't know if that's acceptable where you are - different states/associations/assignors have different rules about that.

Where I was previously, the crew simply decided amongst themselves prior to the game who would be the R. Now, it's assigned and if you are assigned as R, you are expected to be the R.

Finally, the way I read it is that the R can designate U1 or U2 to toss the jump ball, but still is responsible for executing all other duties assigned to the R.
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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 11:13am
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A lot of people work games where this is designated by the assignor.

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This is the way my board works also, but I was just curious if Observer had seen it listed in the official book or where he had gotten his information.
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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 11:18am
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I agree with JDW3018 can only pass on the toss to start the contest
or any overtime. All others duties are preformed by the designated
"R". This "R" was not decided in the locker room, but, assigned that
function by the state. The U1 and U2 knew who they were also.
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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 11:35am
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There is nothing in the rule book that says the R has to run the pregame meeting with capains and coaches

There are only 7 specific things outlined in the rulebook
1) toss
2) throw-in at quarter
3) decide if goal counts if officials disagee
4) declare the game a forefeit
5) resolve matters on which timer and scorer disagree and correct obvious timing mistakes
6) make sure arrow is right at half
7) Approve the score.

And in all reality... the rules have changed 1 to allow another official to toss, but seriously do we really care who throws the ball in at qtr?

And from the stands someone could determine the 5 duties were abdicated?

Maybe the designated "R" was mentoring a n official and let him run the pregame--- Since he ran the pregame, he had him toss the ball and throw-it in... This may be to build the official's credibility with the coaches or some other reason.

If this is all we could pick on in a game then we have way too much time on our hands...
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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 12:07pm
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Maybe the designated "R" was mentoring a n official and let him run the pregame--- Since he ran the pregame, he had him toss the ball and throw-it in... This may be to build the official's credibility with the coaches or some other reason.
3 years ago I was the U2 on my first "big-time" Boys game between the defending state champions and one of their bitter rivals. When I arrived at the site the crew chief designated me the "R" for the entire contest from locker room pre-game to on-court duties through the post-game locker room chat. And I was formally evaluated by our association's head observer.
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I don't see a problem with this. One guy performs all the pregame stuff but when It comes time to toss, delegates it to an another official.

I like to toss in my games, not because I am on some ego powertrip, but it's easy to remember where I'm headed after the toss. :-D
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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 01:00pm
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[QUOTE=Kelvin green]There is nothing in the rule book that says the R has to run the pregame meeting with capains and coaches

I just happened to be thumbing thru the NFHS officials manual and found a section that expands on the referee's pregame duties. It's located under 3.1.5.
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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 01:17pm
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Somtimes I will have another official be "the R" in my games, even if I am listed as the R. Sometimes it is because they are a young and upcoming official who needs to learn how to lead. Sometimes it is because it is an official who I consider "my peer" and I was the R on a game with him/her earlier in the year. Sometimes it's a veteran that is on the downside of their career and I do it out of respect. No big deal. If we hit a snag, I am still going to go get it fixed as if I tossed.
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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 01:21pm
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Our association assignor designates the R, U1 & U2 when we are assigned our games. Coming up, it was common for the R to give me as the U1 or U2 the R responsibility from the pregame to the end of the game. This was to give me the experience and confidence to perform the duties of an R. This year I've started to do give the up and coming U1 or U2 the R responsibilities during some of my games. I usually wouldn't do this for a big rivalry game. I felt it helped me along the way, so why not pass it down.
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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 03:20pm
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NFS rules
It is my understanding that the "R" in a 3-person game
can pass the toss to start the contest to either U1 or U2.
In a game last night I saw the designated "R" pass the
captains meeting, toss, start of each period, all other responsibilities
to the U1... thoughts or somewhere I can reas this!


I agree with JDW3018 can only pass on the toss to start the contest
or any overtime. All others duties are preformed by the designated
"R". This "R" was not decided in the locker room, but, assigned that
function by the state. The U1 and U2 knew who they were also.
In my neck of the woods, the R is designated by the assignor for BV. For GV, the assignor leaves that decision to the officials assigned to the game. However, even though the R has been indicated, I have seen the R pass those duties off to another official for a BV game. It is no big deal.

So to answer your question ... NFHS does assign duties to the officials acting in those capacities for the game (once they come on the floor). However, it does not mean that those assignments can't be changed before the game by the officials (in the locker room). That would be a regional or State directive as to whether or not they can change assignment responsibilities prior to a game.
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3 years ago I was the U2 on my first "big-time" Boys game between the defending state champions and one of their bitter rivals. When I arrived at the site the crew chief designated me the "R" for the entire contest from locker room pre-game to on-court duties through the post-game locker room chat. And I was formally evaluated by our association's head observer.
I have been given this chance as well in my ealier stages of officiating and I have done the same to others when I have been the R as well.
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