Wreck ball...

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Guess it depends on where you're at.

Concur - when I talk Wreck ball, I am referring to the youth Recreational Leagues in my area - NOT adult leagues. Never even thought about that.

Sheesh, it's bad enough I gotta worry about NFHS vs IABO vs NCAA vs NBA rules.....now I gotta worry about the definition of Rec ball? Yikes, I'm a bit slow!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Concur - when I talk Wreck ball, I am referring to the youth Recreational Leagues in my area - NOT adult leagues. Never even thought about that.

Sheesh, it's bad enough I gotta worry about NFHS vs IABO vs NCAA vs NBA rules.....now I gotta worry about the definition of Rec ball? Yikes, I'm a bit slow!

Not every area is organized the same. Basketball is big time in this state and most schools have basketball programs. There would be not very many kids to participate if you tried to have a wreck league. And now all types of summer programs with either AAU or YBOA (there are a couple of other organizations) there are not any youth basketball leagues like the YMCA anymore. There might be a few, but it is not the norm.

Peace

[Coltdoggs]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not every area is organized the same. Basketball is big time in this state and most schools have basketball programs. There would be not very many kids to participate if you tried to have a wreck league. And now all types of summer programs with either AAU or YBOA (there are a couple of other organizations) there are not any youth basketball leagues like the YMCA anymore. There might be a few, but it is not the norm.

Peace

Totally agree with JRut...the YMCA/Church/School Township Leagues are losing players every year.

Our rec program is down 60 kids(6 teams) in the 5th/6th grade league just from last year. We only have 12 teams in that league and 12 in the 3rd/4th and 12 in 7th/8th. About 4 years ago you had 18 teams in each league or 540 kids.

The reason...multi-sport facilities and dedicated hoops facilities like the one I posted earlier are opening fast and in a hurry in Indy. There are now 4 of these places around the city and another one on the far northside just opened up as well. The teams/leagues are more competitive and "open" format like AAU where you'll have kids from multiple schools on one team.

Our rec league only allows the kids within the township to play in it, so there is a "limited" number of kids available anyway...They field 2-3 "travel" teams from grades 3-6 so that pulls outta the number of kids in the rec program.

[grunewar]

Understand, thanks for the look at how other parts of the country do it.

Here in NVA some counties have large MS and small/no Youth Rec Leagues, while others have no MS and large Youth Rec Leagues. Plus, we have travel and AAU teams - then JV and Varsity.

Some Youth Rec have Spring and Summer leagues too. Lots to do here! ....and that's without doing "Adult Rec" league which I admit I am not familiar with here.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

Totally agree with JRut...the YMCA/Church/School Township Leagues are losing players every year.

The only point that I was trying to make is wreak ball in this state, is not likely that dealing with kids.

There is an organization that is called the Illinois Elementary High School Association. It works similarly to the IHSA and has most middle schools and elementary schools as members throughout the state. The reason that is important is because these games are run like normal games and have standards of sportsmanship and consequences for bad behavior.

In the Chicago area most schools are not a member of the IESA (if any at all). But most middle schools or grammar schools still have basketball teams but they either are just a member to a local conference and they play amongst each other for a no specific title.

The IESA has a state champion in different classes or divisions for their members. All these examples take place during the school year.

And because Bear is from my surrounding area, what we would call wreck ball is not the same thing as what others here might call wreck ball. Wreak ball is Adults playing basketball at some park district or school with has-beens and never weres trying to act like they can still play. And the rules can vary in many ways as to what is acceptable and what is not acceptable behavior. I would never recommend a newer official to work those to improve their game. If they want to make an extra buck, that is fine if they realize the things that come with that type of game.

Peace

[Bearfanmike20]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The only point that I was trying to make is wreak ball in this state, is not likely that dealing with kids.

There is an organization that is called the Illinois Elementary High School Association. It works similarly to the IHSA and has most middle schools and elementary schools as members throughout the state. The reason that is important is because these games are run like normal games and have standards of sportsmanship and consequences for bad behavior.

In the Chicago area most schools are not a member of the IESA (if any at all). But most middle schools or grammar schools still have basketball teams but they either are just a member to a local conference and they play amongst each other for a no specific title.

The IESA has a state champion in different classes or divisions for their members. All these examples take place during the school year.

And because Bear is from my surrounding area, what we would call wreck ball is not the same thing as what others here might call wreck ball. Wreak ball is Adults playing basketball at some park district or school with has-beens and never weres trying to act like they can still play. And the rules can vary in many ways as to what is acceptable and what is not acceptable behavior. I would never recommend a newer official to work those to improve their game. If they want to make an extra buck, that is fine if they realize the things that come with that type of game.

Peace

This is more what I was wondering...

So your saying that I wont benefit much from these games??

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

This is more what I was wondering...

So your saying that I wont benefit much from these games??

I think everyone has to decide what they can get out of something themselves. I just think there are plenty of other opportunities to get better and to keep up on your officiating. The problem is that the people you work with and the quality of the games are not likely going to be top-notch. If you go into with one intention you might run into something else.

[blindzebra]

Experience is never a bad thing, the more you work the more you'll see, and the better your judgment gets.

I hate seeing the elitist BS about rec ball.

Sure the ball is often poor and the attitude of the players even worse BUT knowing that going in allows you to get past it. You can work on your game, work on your game management and you get ample opportunity to weed through all the screw ball situations without the worry you'd have about getting it right.

Concentrate on your game and if you can handle the has-beens/wanna-bees/never-wases no player or coach in a "real" game is gonna be a problem.