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[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by MadCityRef

If A1 makes any movement associated with attempting a shot, shoot 2.

Originally Posted by truerookie

In the judgement of the official, the grab by B1 causes A1 from continuing the shooting motion. The official should award A1 with 2 shots due to being in the act of shooting.

Guys, that's not what he's asking.

He knows the kid is in the act of shooting. But he's stating that since the shooter didn't complete the shot, he can't shoot it after the contact, even though he hasn't returned to the floor.

Re-read the post.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Guys, that's not what he's asking.

He knows the kid is in the act of shooting. But he's stating that since the shooter didn't complete the shot, he can't shoot it after the contact, even though he hasn't returned to the floor.

Re-read the post.

OP doesn't say anything about him being off the floor. I picture a pump fake, then as he starts to put it up and gets grabbed. If this is the case, (Billy Mac, you wanna clarify this?) one could rule that the try ended and wave off the shot if another one begins, correct?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I picture a pump fake, then as he starts to put it up and gets grabbed. If this is the case, (Billy Mac, you wanna clarify this?) one could rule that the try ended and wave off the shot if another one begins, correct?

I suppose one could rule that if one was a mind reader. See rule 4-11-2. If the shooter can fight through the foul and get the ball in flight, count the basket if it goes in.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I suppose one could rule that if one was a mind reader. See rule 4-11-2. If the shooter can fight through the foul and get the ball in flight, count the basket if it goes in.

It has nothing to do with being a mind reader. B1 grabs A1's arm and effectively stops his shot. After the foul call, B1 releases the arm. How long did all this take? Uhhhh, I think, not very long? A1 quickly throws up another shot, which even if it goes in, does not count. Shoot 2.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Guys, that's not what he's asking.

He knows the kid is in the act of shooting. But he's stating that since the shooter didn't complete the shot, he can't shoot it after the contact, even though he hasn't returned to the floor.

Re-read the post.

I read the post. A1 was in the act of shooting was grabbed by B1(holding) foul!; whistle; pump fake; shot; disallow the shot. A1 will shoot 2 for being in the act of shooting.

[BktBallRef]

Where did you read anything about a pump fake?

A player who pump fakes does not get consideration for continuation or being in the act of shooting because he is NOT shooting.

[BillyMac]

Wow. I didn't expect this situation to be so controversial.

I know it's tough to describe a play like this in words. Heck, I was there, and I have trouble replaying it in my mind.

1) I know that the shooter was not airborne. He was a little on the "husky" side, and didn't do much jumping during the game. However, I am interested in how the call would be different if he was airborne?

2) I didn't use the term "pump fake" because that's not what I saw, especially the kind of "pump fake" that would cause many of us to call a three second violation on the shooter despite the exception to the rule. This can best be described as a "double pump". In other words, it looked like, if I had not blown the whistle for the foul, he was going to try to shot "again" after having it blocked the first time.

Hope this helps. Play on ....

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

1) I know that the shooter was not airborne. He was a little on the "husky" side, and didn't do much jumping during the game. However, I am interested in how the call would be different if he was airborne?

If he had been airborne, you would have a definitive end to the try, that being when he returned to the floor. Otherwise, I would say that no matter what else happened, if he managed to release the ball before coming down, the shot would count.

[ajs8207]

I officiate in Maryland. There is no seat belt rule that I have ever heard of.