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deecee Tue Feb 19, 2008 07:10pm
People hear what they want to hear and interpret it their own way. Its happened to me with coaches during games. In those instances I dont deal with those coaches anymore. Silent treatment the whole way.

BLydic Tue Feb 19, 2008 07:39pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge
Silence cannot be quoted. If you did not have the conversation with the AD, he could not take the conversation to another level.

Peace
Even the most innocent words can be twisted around. I completely agree. Try to avoid if possible, otherwise respectfully exit the building.

Camron Rust Tue Feb 19, 2008 07:46pm
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Originally Posted by archangel
Working Boys frosh/JV with a 13 yr veteran. Intro'd myself prior, explaining I'm a 2nd year newbe. Pardner seemed depressed about something, said he didnt like working these games, while I was excited (persective, no?). Frosh game a blowout, w/no problems.
JV visitor had a player throw an elbow after a rebound, no contact, and was warned about it. Close game in the 4thQ, loose ball "scrum" in the paint, when lead calls a foul. Vcoach then yells to partner that "he's losing control of the game" (no rough play to that point, and 1st words heard from that coach ). Partner immediately whistles/signals a T. I'm walking toward Vcoach to seatbelt him when partner reports T on player #34 (elbowman). Game plays out w/ no other issues.
Officials room is just offcourt and I catch up to partner right as we enter room(with the 3 V officials), and ask him what #34 did to get the T(I'm thinking he threw an elbow). He says he didnt like the look on 34's face and knew the coach would pull him off the floor.
All 3 V officials stop what they're doing and look at us, started questioning partner on why, with him kinda giving me the look.
Thought afterwards I might've thrown him under the bus, but never expected That answer, then thought that its his issue as 1) he actually admitted his real "reason " for the T and 2) saying it in front of the V guys.
Your partner owns that one all on his own. There is nothing wrong with asking your partner what a player did to deserve a T in the way you did...away from the players/coaches/fans. The fact that other officials were there is not your problem. The fact that he made such a stupid call is all on him...he opened himself up to the grief he got.

BillyMac Tue Feb 19, 2008 08:35pm
The Nutmeg State
 
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Originally Posted by JoeTheRef
This is common practice around here. If I'm spectating and come in during halftime, I will offer any input if asked. If not, I don't say anything in regards to particular plays in the game or calls in general. If I'm reffing and I have fellow officials come in on my game and I know they were in the stands, I solicit their input.
Same common practice here in Connecticut, especailly during conference and state tournament games. We all have membershnip cards that get us into all basketball games for free.

Back In The Saddle Tue Feb 19, 2008 08:39pm
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Originally Posted by Coltdoggs
Not sure if this would alleviate any issues but if you were to gather the AD and the other officiating crew together to speak about this, the truth could come out....sounds as if the AD is not going to be forthright with your actual words but having all interested parties face to face certianly can eliminate the he said, he said garbage...
Or the coach could just feel cornered and become all the more insistent and demonstrative about his version of "the truth." Then what do you do? Try to shout him down? He knows he's in trouble, maybe even his job is on the line. He openly lied to the other officials. I doubt he's the sort of stand-up guy who would man up and admit to what he did.

TheOracle Tue Feb 19, 2008 08:57pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge
Silence cannot be quoted. If you did not have the conversation with the AD, he could not take the conversation to another level.

Peace
Right on. The only person who should be discussing specifics with a coach or AD, besides the working officials, is the assignor. Post-game, working officials should defer to the assignor, and use him/her as their lawyer. It's a no-win situation for anyone else, unless you play the political game of cutting your teammates for your own gain. Whether you do that or not, that's what almost everyone will perceive.

Be careful about lodging formal complaints, too. My experience has been, that no matter how warranted, right or wrong, the people who file formal complaints generally suffer negative consequences, like being labeled over it. Not many people labeled as malcontents get better or great assignments. It is no different in the regular workplace, either. For everyone who wins a multi-million dollar discrimination or wrongful-termination lawsuit, there are literally a hundred who get hosed. Just be aware of the consequences. Some just don't care. My hat is off to them and their idealism. They make the world better by trying to change things that are wrong. But many suffer from it, too, sometimes regrettably so.

Mark Dexter Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:50pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac
Same common practice here in Connecticut, especailly during conference and state tournament games. We all have membershnip cards that get us into all basketball games for free.
FWIW, Billy, you can actually get into any HS game in any sport for free.

cmckenna Wed Feb 20, 2008 09:55am
Mark,

I thought the CIAC cards were good only for the sport(s) you officiate???

BillyMac Wed Feb 20, 2008 07:11pm
I Wish .....
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
FWIW, Billy, you can actually get into any HS game in any sport for free.
My original quote: "We all have membershnip cards that get us into all basketball games for free."

Unfortunately, cmckenna is correct, our Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic
Conference (CIAC) officials cards only get us into the sport, or sports, that we officiate, for free.

ref2coach Wed Feb 20, 2008 09:53pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac
Unfortunately, cmckenna is correct, our Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference (CIAC) officials cards only get us into the sport, or sports, that we officiate, for free.
Enjoy it while you have it. Here in TN, two years ago, starting with the State Tournament they quit allowing referees to attend free. As a result many schools have also quit allowing referees in during regular season and invitational tournaments.

Texas Aggie Thu Feb 21, 2008 01:01am
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Silence cannot be quoted.
I agree. However, it sounds as if the AD had no intention of honestly reporting what was said, so if there is any response (and there will be because we don't just ignore comments from people we know), its just as likely to be misquoted.

I think what I would do in this instance is, instead of leave, go back to the room and tell the guys that you were asked what you thought, and how you responded. And the response should be something supportive or that you didn't see the whole play. Or, say, "that's just one of those things that happens," a comment, like "didn't see whole play," that means absolutely nothing.

26 Year Gap Thu Feb 21, 2008 08:04am
You could write a letter to the officials with a copy to your association, the AD & possibly the principal about the whole incident including the part about how the AD was in hot water with the principal. You may never work at that school again, but, then again, the AD may not be the AD there again, either.

Nevadaref Thu Feb 21, 2008 08:12am
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Originally Posted by ref2coach
Enjoy it while you have it. Here in TN, two years ago, starting with the State Tournament they quit allowing referees to attend free. As a result many schools have also quit allowing referees in during regular season and invitational tournaments.
Yep, NV went that way a couple of years ago. Now we pay $35 for the cards. They do work for all sports and all games though.

Mark Dexter Sun Feb 24, 2008 09:16pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac
My original quote: "We all have membershnip cards that get us into all basketball games for free."

Unfortunately, cmckenna is correct, our Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic
Conference (CIAC) officials cards only get us into the sport, or sports, that we officiate, for free.
I just pulled my card out. On the back:

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Members of the CIAC Officials' Association are entitled to the following:
  • Admission to any regular season contest in any sport;
  • Admission to CIAC state tournament contests for the sport listed on the front of the card
I know I've used mine to get into football games. Maybe we get different cards on our board.

BillyMac Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:00pm
Nevermind ...
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
I just pulled my card out. I know I've used mine to get into football games. Maybe we get different cards on our board.
Sorry, I only use mine for basketball, so I forgot about the other privileges we get as CIAC members. Thanks for reminding me. Who knows, someday I may want to go to a girls lacrosse match (in my worst nightmare).


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