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Old Fri Feb 15, 2008, 03:23pm
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It's been my experience that ANY sort of discrepancy at the scorer's table is best handled immediately. Even in this case if you had just taken 10-15 seconds and said, "We just had a jump ball a minute ago, I'm keeping track myself, and the official arrow points this way, so that's how it's gonna be." I know it's tough to say so with the score being what it was, but ignore that for a minute and let's assume the score was tied with 3 minutes to play in a very competitive game. If, as you're about to put the ball in play, one of the scorers is screaming for your attention because they think possession should go the other way, would you stop then? I would hope so.

I know in games like this we all just want to keep the clock running, because often bad stuff happens in blowouts like this (losing team gets frustrated; bruisers come off the bench to finally get playing time, etc...)...but I think in this case, if you'd taken just 10-15 seconds to verify the arrow direction, you probably could've avoided the T, and saved an additional minute+ from the T free throw administration...
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Old Fri Feb 15, 2008, 03:52pm
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It's been my experience that ANY sort of discrepancy at the scorer's table is best handled immediately. Even in this case if you had just taken 10-15 seconds and said, "We just had a jump ball a minute ago, I'm keeping track myself, and the official arrow points this way, so that's how it's gonna be." I know it's tough to say so with the score being what it was, but ignore that for a minute and let's assume the score was tied with 3 minutes to play in a very competitive game. If, as you're about to put the ball in play, one of the scorers is screaming for your attention because they think possession should go the other way, would you stop then? I would hope so.

I know in games like this we all just want to keep the clock running, because often bad stuff happens in blowouts like this (losing team gets frustrated; bruisers come off the bench to finally get playing time, etc...)...but I think in this case, if you'd taken just 10-15 seconds to verify the arrow direction, you probably could've avoided the T, and saved an additional minute+ from the T free throw administration...
A discrepancy AT the scorer's table? Yeah. The V team's assistant coach sitting at the far end of the bench (the end away from the table) with a scorebook disagrees with the official book and the referee about a point on which the referee has actual knowledge? Nah. I don't think so.

If he wants to be a scorekeeper, he can sit with the scorekeeper. If he wants to be an assistant coach, he needs to adhere to the behavior required from assistant coaches. In this case, he can get his HC to go to the table and request a time out to prevent an error.
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Old Fri Feb 15, 2008, 03:59pm
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A discrepancy AT the scorer's table? Yeah. The V team's assistant coach sitting at the far end of the bench (the end away from the table) with a scorebook disagrees with the official book and the referee about a point on which the referee has actual knowledge? Nah. I don't think so.

If he wants to be a scorekeeper, he can sit with the scorekeeper. If he wants to be an assistant coach, he needs to adhere to the behavior required from assistant coaches. In this case, he can get his HC to go to the table and request a time out to prevent an error.
A fine point. I must've glanced over the part where it said he was at the far end of the bench. In that case, whack 'em.
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Old Sat Feb 16, 2008, 04:21pm
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It's been my experience that ANY sort of discrepancy at the scorer's table is best handled immediately. Even in this case if you had just taken 10-15 seconds and said, "We just had a jump ball a minute ago, I'm keeping track myself, and the official arrow points this way, so that's how it's gonna be." I know it's tough to say so with the score being what it was, but ignore that for a minute and let's assume the score was tied with 3 minutes to play in a very competitive game. If, as you're about to put the ball in play, one of the scorers is screaming for your attention because they think possession should go the other way, would you stop then? I would hope so.

I know in games like this we all just want to keep the clock running, because often bad stuff happens in blowouts like this (losing team gets frustrated; bruisers come off the bench to finally get playing time, etc...)...but I think in this case, if you'd taken just 10-15 seconds to verify the arrow direction, you probably could've avoided the T, and saved an additional minute+ from the T free throw administration...
This morning, I had a CYO tripleheder as the visitor. Home timer was asleep at the arrow half the time (especially witht he throw-in to start each quarter) and we had a situation where we had a jump ball and he forgot to switch the arrow with the previous AP throw-in. Important thing is that if there is a discrepancy, to make sure it's resolved ASAP. And if all else fails, the next team gets 2 of the next 3 possessions.
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Old Sat Feb 16, 2008, 04:30pm
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This morning, I had a CYO tripleheder as the visitor. Home timer was asleep at the arrow half the time (especially witht he throw-in to start each quarter) and we had a situation where we had a jump ball and he forgot to switch the arrow with the previous AP throw-in. Important thing is that if there is a discrepancy, to make sure it's resolved ASAP. And if all else fails, the next team gets 2 of the next 3 possessions.
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