School Not Allowing a Woman Official

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by fullor30

She had a contract and they broke it because she's a woman. I'll bet she's had a dozen calls from lawyers. It's called discrimination.

Who said she had a contract? Where does it say a contract was broken? or are you just assuming?

[bellnier]

Oops..that'll teach me for doing three things at once...maybe multitasking is for the young...

[loners4me]

doubtful they use contracts. The Pius X Academy I used to work for never did.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Who said she had a contract? Where does it say a contract was broken? or are you just assuming?

Probably........

Are you assuming she didn't?

Do you have a written agreement for your varsity games or higher?

In this case an oral agrreement would suffice.

The point is she was dismissed for being a woman.

They can claim anything they want why she was refused the right to work and probably get away with it.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

They certainly are. But not if they are a government agency or operating with government funds. That's why it matters.

The public grade school cannot call up a plumber, have that plumber arrive with all necessary licenses and credentials, and then refuse to allow him to fix the drain because he's black. They just can't do it.

Again, cite the statutes you say you been advised on that would effect independent contractors.

Originally Posted by fullor30

Probably........

Are you assuming she didn't?

Do you have a written agreement for your varsity games or higher?

In this case an oral agrreement would suffice.

The point is she was dismissed for being a woman.

They can claim anything they want why she was refused the right to work and probably get away with it.

No, I've never had a written contract for any game I've ever worked. I've worked in Tennessee and North Carolina. So obviously not every state/school requires a contract. Games are assigned through a booking association sanctioned by the state association. There is no contract. The school does NOT have to accept any official the booking agent chooses to send and can refuse one for any reason.

When all is said and done, we know they are a private entity. IF there's a contract, (which I seriously doubt since they would already have known a woman was being sent to work the game), there could be a breach of contract and she could sue them for damages. But absent that, she doesn't have a leg to stand on.

[deecee]

The issue of government funding is very simple. Any, and all money an entity gets for the government comes with a laundry list of rules and regultations. One of those is that, THAT money cannot be used in a way that is discriminatory in any way.

This also works for companies that work with government contracts -- like defense contractors and what not. IF you rely on government money to run an organization then you HAVE to adhere to their standards or risk losing the funding.

As to calling these bozos kooks, it is perfectly acceptable practice to reference anyone who still discriminates based on gender, sex, race, ethnicity, etc. a kook. However, taking them to court to get what's yours is not going to change them. What should be done is remove the children from that environment and allow them to experience a world where they are allowed to equally hate anyone they want based on their biases and prejudices, as opposed to their parents and teachers.

[Rizzo21]

Originally Posted by deecee

The issue of government funding is very simple. Any, and all money an entity gets for the government comes with a laundry list of rules and regultations. One of those is that, THAT money cannot be used in a way that is discriminatory in any way.

This also works for companies that work with government contracts -- like defense contractors and what not. IF you rely on government money to run an organization then you HAVE to adhere to their standards or risk losing the funding.

As to calling these bozos kooks, it is perfectly acceptable practice to reference anyone who still discriminates based on gender, sex, race, ethnicity, etc. a kook. However, taking them to court to get what's yours is not going to change them. What should be done is remove the children from that environment and allow them to experience a world where they are allowed to equally hate anyone they want based on their biases and prejudices, as opposed to their parents and teachers.

Call them whatever you want. They have a set of beliefs that they adhere to, they don't consider it "hate" and the parents that send their kids there accept that. If you don't like it, don't work there or don't send your kids there.

[Bearfanmike20]

Kudos to the other 2 officials who walked off the court with her.

[Jimgolf]

Just a note here on verbal contracts. If there is consideration tendered by both parties then there is a valid enforceable contract. In other words, Party A says "I'll pay you $35 to officiate" and you agree to officiate, then you have a contract, whether it's written or not. Whether a contract has been broken or not is up to the courts to decide.

Source: Judge Judy, of course.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Rizzo21

Call them whatever you want. They have a set of beliefs that they adhere to, they don't consider it "hate" and the parents that send their kids there accept that. If you don't like it, don't work there or don't send your kids there.

Believe me, I'd never, ever dream of working there or ever letting my kids go there.

The Klu Klux Klan has a set of beliefs that their members adhere to also.

Who's running the place? Father Torquemada?

[Rizzo21]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Believe me, I'd never, ever dream of working there or ever letting my kids go there.

The Klu Klux Klan has a set of beliefs that their members adhere to also.

Who's running the place? Father Torquemada?

And, in America, the KKK has the right to be an organization and hold to those beliefs just as this school does (minus gov't funding) no matter what you think about those beliefs.

If the roles were reversed, say they didn't allow men to be in positions of authority over women and banned men officials, well, let it be what it is. I guess I wouldn't get any assignments there.

I don't have a problem working with women officials or seeing them work at any school but I'm not in charge of this school and believe the greater good is served to allow them to decide (as a private school) what they allow and what they don't. Apparently you don't, which is your right.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Rizzo21

Call them whatever you want. They have a set of beliefs that they adhere to, they don't consider it "hate" and the parents that send their kids there accept that. If you don't like it, don't work there or don't send your kids there.

Adolf Hitler and a bunch-o-people called the nazi's had what you would call a set of beliefs that they adhered to. And like you say, they didnt consider it "hate", and many parents accepted it and so did many kids, and adults. I dont think just NOT sending your kids there is enough.

This is not about whos flying sphagehitti monster is right or wrong, but open discrimination. No matter what your beliefs there are basic rights and wrongs that *should* be recognized by all groups. This one, apparently, is wrong.

[bellnier]

Sheesh...this is what they teach these kids? That a woman can't be an authority figure? theri mothers must love that concept. What about an adult having authority over a child? Doesn't that trump the gender issue?

This is Kansas, though, the land of Creationism as public policy.

[Rizzo21]

Originally Posted by deecee

Adolf Hitler and a bunch-o-people called the nazi's had what you would call a set of beliefs that they adhered to. And like you say, they didnt consider it "hate", and many parents accepted it and so did many kids, and adults. I dont think just NOT sending your kids there is enough.

This is not about whos flying sphagehitti monster is right or wrong, but open discrimination. No matter what your beliefs there are basic rights and wrongs that *should* be recognized by all groups. This one, apparently, is wrong.

Ah, the obligatory Hitler reference. I'm sure St. Mary's is spawning the next Adolph himself.

It is not open discrimination to them according to their beliefs. And, as a private organization, they make the rules in that case. I believe the First Amendment as freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion but I realize not all hold that interpretation. If the court wants to intervene in this case and settle that interpretation for this specific instance, send your money to the ACLU and they might take it up.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Again, cite the statutes you say you been advised on that would effect independent contractors.



No, I've never had a written contract for any game I've ever worked. I've worked in Tennessee and North Carolina. So obviously not every state/school requires a contract. Games are assigned through a booking association sanctioned by the state association. There is no contract. The school does NOT have to accept any official the booking agent chooses to send and can refuse one for any reason.

When all is said and done, we know they are a private entity. IF there's a contract, (which I seriously doubt since they would already have known a woman was being sent to work the game), there could be a breach of contract and she could sue them for damages. But absent that, she doesn't have a leg to stand on.

I worked for a Tennessee association for 3 years. And the contract is between them, essentially, and the school.

I know the association I worked for would not have stood for this and would've sent a woman (or 2 women) to all the games this school had. I've been in a similar position where they didn't want me back because I stood up to the home coach - I went back the next three games they played.

Worst case, the association tells the school to pound sand and doesn't send anyone.